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seiko1 wrote:What made you think Thiomersal had been removed MickC?...

The links in my post above list all the vaccines it has been removed from.


As for the rest of your post, I'd hoped we might be able to have a rational, informed discussion but I suspect you're (understandably) too emotionally involved in the subject so I'll just leave it there.

Sorry to hear the initial news Seiko.

I feel for you man, it's something that I think of sometimes, and when you hear stories from people you know, it hits home stronger.

Fantastic news you're getting improvements with diet etc.

Everyone, I've seen debates about it before, usually not friendly, so I hope this one stays respectful and rational

Mick C wrote:Yes, trace amounts (<2 micrograms/ml compared to 50 micrograms/ml) and there are other alternatives that don't contain thiomersal and are recommended for use in infants

Mercury is one of the most toxic substances on Earth and no amount of mercury is safe, especially when injected into a baby’s small developing body.
Mercury it is not the only toxic problem with childhood vaccines. There are also trace or residual amounts of 2-phenoxyethanol, phenol, albumin, MSG, glycine, formaldehyde, and antibiotics in vaccines. Yes these are very small amounts, but do we want to continually inject even small amounts of these toxins directly into our tiny babies' developing bodies, given their inability to detoxify and how vulnerable they are to low levels of toxins? If trace amounts of formaldehyde, MSG, or antibiotics were in foods that were to be given to our babies, most of us wouldn't allow it.

To vaccinate or not to vaccinate is a very sensative subject, and a very personal one. There will always be differences of opinion. Whatever you decide to do, someone is going to try to change your mind. Your best bet Seiko is to continue what you are doing - research both sides of the issue so you can make your own informed decision on whats best for your child.

Sorry to hear the news Seiko, but good to see your having good results with the diet change, and well done on the research as well.

My hat's off to you Steve.

No doubt a trying time for you but you have to keep chippimg away at it. Wifey's aunty runs Autism QLD and has an autistic daughter, and a co-worker here has an Autistic son and although i have very little to do with it/them, i can see how important and challenging it is for them.

Hey Seiko,
My 1st cousin has 2 young kids both with autism & he is hepled out a lot by the lifestart program http://www.lifestart.org.au/?s=lorusso
Don't know if they're down your way but doesn't hurt to ask.
My wife & I go to their yearly fund raiser every year which is an awesome night of cool shit on auction over a few beers.
Hope it all goes well for you & your young bloke

Maybe I can be a little agro sometimes Mick C
It's just so frustrating nowadays the way people seem to always defend the establishment no
matter what the overwhelming evidence supports. Are all these people imagining Autism perhaps.
It only surfaced when they started vaccination!
Doctors have to be very careful of what they say because they are terrified Goliath companies
will sue the shit out of them for opening their mouth's.
Absolute, irrefutible evidence will be a long time coming because of this.
Ever heard of Erin Brokovich? She got lots of people with fatal "imaginary" diseases caused by Chromium, millions of dollars
in "real" compensation.
James Hardy perhaps?

Hi Seiko'... I reakon that after viewing all the post over the last few days this is a very emotive subject. All the guys support you and your endevours to strive to do wats in the best interest for your boy.

Thanks guy's and sorry if I vent a little agro here and there

HE'S TALKING CONSTANTLY......(mixed feelings there )
thats great !!
scientific arguments aside, keep up what ever has a positive responce from your child and family

Sorry to hear about your son.

But i'm interested in your claim

seiko1 wrote: Case studies in the US show that Autism went from 1 in 100,000 pre 1989 to 1 in 166 post 1989 when the vaccination program was
ramped up in that country. (with 1 in 6 having some form of learning disorder)

Do you have a reference? (I've done research in the area from time to time)

If its

Geier MR, Geier DA. Thimerosal in childhood vaccines, neurodevelopment disorders and heart disease in the United States. J Am Physicians Surg. 2003;8:6-11

its bullshit.

http://www.aap.org/profed/thimaut-may03.htm

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Concer ... Index.html

Changing ones diet is a very effect method for treating a number of neurological problems. I have a colleague who lost 20 years of his life to an asylum due to a schizophrenia-like condition, which is now completely controlled by diet. He is now completing his doctorate and part of his project is looking into his condition. Being in academia instead of industry, I have not so much worry of being sued by the big companies because I have an entire university's legal team behind me (to an extent), and so I can say without allegations of fear, that the majority of serious sideaffects of drugs (not vaccines) is due to individual peoples differences. Primarily due to genetics but in some cases the environment they grew up in as well. I have no comment on vaccines one way or the other because that is well outside my area expertise. As someone who does work in the field of pharmaceutical research however (albeit very far away from end you're all familiar with), I will say that if a drug I developed killed 100 people but saved 1000, I wouldn't be happy, but I could definately sleep at night. I think the problem is not that these treatments have sideaffects, but that they aren't properly advertised.

EDIT: to clarify, by serious sideaffects I don't mean headaches or dry mouth, etc. I mean blood clots or heart attacks or other side affects causing long-term or fatal conditions.

dilligaf wrote:Sorry to hear about your son.

But i'm interested in your claim

seiko1 wrote: Case studies in the US show that Autism went from 1 in 100,000 pre 1989 to 1 in 166 post 1989 when the vaccination program was
ramped up in that country. (with 1 in 6 having some form of learning disorder)

Do you have a reference? (I've done research in the area from time to time)

If its

Geier MR, Geier DA. Thimerosal in childhood vaccines, neurodevelopment disorders and heart disease in the United States. J Am Physicians Surg. 2003;8:6-11

its bullshit.

http://www.aap.org/profed/thimaut-may03.htm

ttp://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Concerns/Autism/Index.html

Never heard of that .
Dr. Boyd Haley and also the old Robert Kennedy is leading a crusade.
This is interesting too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHqVDMr9ivo

seiko1 wrote: Maybe I can be a little agro sometimes Mick C

Fair enough, it's obviously a subject that's pretty important to you.

seiko1 wrote:It's just so frustrating nowadays the way people seem to always defend the establishment no
matter what the overwhelming evidence supports. Are all these people imagining Autism perhaps.
It only surfaced when they started vaccination!
Doctors have to be very careful of what they say because they are terrified Goliath companies
will sue the shit out of them for opening their mouth's.
Absolute, irrefutible evidence will be a long time coming because of this.
Ever heard of Erin Brokovich? She got lots of people with fatal "imaginary" diseases caused by Chromium, millions of dollars
in "real" compensation.
James Hardy perhaps?

Mate, I'm not defending the establishment, I'm defending science and scientific process. Critical, analytical thought based on all the evidence presented. All I'm asking is that you read through some of the stuff I linked to, as well as looking at the arguments from the other side of the fence. It's really, really not as cut and dried as some would say and as much money as the drug companies have, they aren't as all powerful as people would like to think.

Anyway the most important thing is that you guys also obviously love and cherish your son, and that's what really counts

if you want to to help, get involved in the research side of autism

http://www.latrobe.edu.au/otarc/