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MadKaw wrote:

zxsixr03 wrote:I recall they were all holding out on the premium till the price goes up again....

I said fuck that and just bought 200L of ELF BFK-07 for $1100...

Cool... where is that from.?

BTW,
I got premium this afternoon, the truck that told them to put there prices up had it in it...

I got mine through here....
http://www.racefuels.com.au/suppliers.asp

zxsixr03 wrote:I recall they were all holding out on the premium till the price goes up again....
I said fuck that and just bought 200L of ELF BFK-07 for $1100...

Juice @ $5.50 per litre????

Screw that, it's bad enough with ULP at $1.47/litre up my way, I don't care HOW many elves went into it.

Mick

You engine will love you for it tho.....

Each state has a local refinery where all the 91 & 95 fuel comes from for all Brands. Here in Victoria the only refinery is Mobile. All the brands take Mobile refined product and put in their own blend of additives. The usual contaminate is water which gets into tanks.

I cannot speak for all brands, but BP refines their own 98 (Ultimate) and trucks it around the country. This is a true 98 octane, it is refined to 98 octane, not a lesser fuel with octane boosters. I have never had any issues with this fuel, but I am biased as I work for BP

I always use BP Ultimate running a 6.0ltr V8 which has had some minor mods to 330kw motor. Gave it heaps at EC and no probs at all redlining all round the place. Will use it on my Ninja 250r as well. Had an older V6 dunnydore and used another brands 98 octane and ended up with water/mud through the system... Never will use the other brand again no matter how many vouchers from a supermarket they give me!!!

photomike666 wrote:Each state has a local refinery where all the 91 & 95 fuel comes from for all Brands. Here in Victoria the only refinery is Mobile. All the brands take Mobile refined product and put in their own blend of additives. The usual contaminate is water which gets into tanks.

I cannot speak for all brands, but BP refines their own 98 (Ultimate) and trucks it around the country. This is a true 98 octane, it is refined to 98 octane, not a lesser fuel with octane boosters. I have never had any issues with this fuel, but I am biased as I work for BP

What about Shell at Geelong? Don't they make fuel?

i'll be filling up at bp for now on, lucky ones up the road from me

Fuel Injection computer went into fault twice this morning (red indicator light came on) as well almost slowing to a halt. On my way into the dealer now to get to the bottom of this, and to make matters worse I swore I would never step into their workshop again. I will keep everyone updated.

Cheers

Mick

Benno wrote:

photomike666 wrote:Each state has a local refinery where all the 91 & 95 fuel comes from for all Brands. Here in Victoria the only refinery is Mobile. All the brands take Mobile refined product and put in their own blend of additives. The usual contaminate is water which gets into tanks.

I cannot speak for all brands, but BP refines their own 98 (Ultimate) and trucks it around the country. This is a true 98 octane, it is refined to 98 octane, not a lesser fuel with octane boosters. I have never had any issues with this fuel, but I am biased as I work for BP

What about Shell at Geelong? Don't they make fuel?

You're right, and there is another in Hastings. However, there all pool their base 91 & 95 octane fuel to meet supply. You could be getting any base product with a different set of additives. The base product is stored in a tank next to the additive tanks. The product & additive are mixed as one process during filling of the tankers. To ensure supply often one refinery will product 91 and the other will produce diesel.

photomike666 wrote:I cannot speak for all brands, but BP refines their own 98 (Ultimate) and trucks it around the country. This is a true 98 octane, it is refined to 98 octane, not a lesser fuel with octane boosters. I have never had any issues with this fuel, but I am biased as I work for BP

Now there's a bit of a romantic notion of the "pure" fuel being better, but are there any technical reasons for BP's process being superior? I say "pure" because any petrol is far from being pure anything when you look at the chemistry.

Also consider that when they were allowed to, F1 turbo engines ran ran fuels that were 80% toluene (yes, the "evil" stuff that some stations were mixing in). Very unpure and very powerful with up to 5.4 bars of boost (78 psi) and 1500 HP out of 1.5 L.

no dramas anywhere down here with Premium U/L .......I don't use Vortex as a general rule, or Shell. The Mobil 8000 Premium seems to work great in the MFP12, but I still reckon BP Gold is the *best* pump fuel I have used. It is only available at a couple of garages round town..........but worth chasing I reckon.

I will not use Woolies pump fuel of LPG in the Dunneydore *ever*. The LPG in particular is fucking crap, the car backfires and basically runs like shit on the 2 or 3 times we have used Woolies LPG. Avoid it like the plague.

I know about the single refinery thing. However personally I avoid E10 on general principle.
I put some fuel in the car the other day, only put ten bucks on the meter and got 6.4 litres for my effort :-\

However if i used e10 i'd be paying 1.41/litre and i'd rather pay that bit extra simply so i don't push my luck with the maximum ethanol content. (my bike can take a max of 10% ethanol but im not sure what my car's max specs are for ethanol if any is plausible at all.

photomike666 wrote:Each state has a local refinery where all the 91 & 95 fuel comes from for all Brands. Here in Victoria the only refinery is Mobile. All the brands take Mobile refined product and put in their own blend of additives. The usual contaminate is water which gets into tanks.

I cannot speak for all brands, but BP refines their own 98 (Ultimate) and trucks it around the country. This is a true 98 octane, it is refined to 98 octane, not a lesser fuel with octane boosters. I have never had any issues with this fuel, but I am biased as I work for BP

I'm with you, I've only ever used BP ultimate in my bikes and never had a problem, even from the servos out in the sticks where I am.

Wasn't BP and Mobil involved in a joint venture for their "ultimate" fuels? I thought they were almost one in the same. Either way, I only try to fill up on BP/Mobil. I know the 10 had some shell and stuff in it that never hurt.

Both Caltex & Shell refineries in NSW have been extremely short of high octane fuel since dec '07. A combination of refinery upgrades, unexpected breakdowns and plant fires. to make up the short falls they have been importing stocks from overseas refineries when available. It's not always available.

The surest sign that you have imported fuel is the smell - benzene. Benzene is used to boost octane and the smell is quite obvious. Benzene is also a very nasty piece of kit that you should avoid taking great lung fulls of, so don't sniff around trying to detect it!!!!!!!!Colour is also a good pointer, Bronze for Gasolenes seems to be the colour of choice for our imported fuels.

For 75 - 80% of all s/s in NSW their fuel will have been sourced from the Caltex Kurnell refinery. Regardless of the brand name on the servo. The exception is 98 octane. Shell, BP & Mobil 98 will be a mixture of Shell Geelong and Shell Clyde. All 98 at Caltex servo's is sourced ex the Caltex Kurnell refinery. Except for when it is imported........In Victoria you can switch that around with majority of Fuel coming from Geelong and the balance from Mobil. Mobil though are heavily reliant on imports from other refineries. I'm not sure of the other states breakup but it would be logical to expect that in WA it would be close to 100% BP (they have the only refinery in WA), SA is heavily reliant on os imports since the closure of the Mobil refinery and in QLD their would be a split between Caltex & BP.

All companies add aditives at their distribution terminals. These do no increase octane but are injector cleaners.

Water in fuel will come from the service stations tanks. Poor maintenance of seals around their fill points being the biggest problem. A tip - if a site looks dodgy then it's a fair bet that they will not be maintaining their seals.

E10 - if your running E10 you are essentially running 95 octane. Standard ULP Octane (as supplied) is usually 92+ although the spec is minimum 91. Adding 10% Ethanol gives you a 3 point octane boost. My understanding is that United's Boost 95 is actually 90% standard Ulp with 10% ethanol added. Their Boost 98 is standard PULP (95 octane) with 10% Ethanol added.

Im not that keen on this 10% ethanol bizzo. Sure there was that big "oh no's ethanol is bad mkay?" before, but i think that was more about 1) it not being regulated in quantity or quality of the "ethanol" and 2) the government weren't seeing their extra taxes, which i think was the biggest thing they were getting snarky about.

All that considered my manual for my bike indicates 10% ethanol max lest you damage something in the carbies or seals. Not sure what it says for my car, (not got an oem manual) but i suspect it says something similar. However on that principle alone i am generaly reluctant to run E10 style fuels.