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Re: re: Going Faster.....

Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 12:14 pm
by mfzx6r
aardvark wrote:Looking is the most important thing. Lean to "lift your observations". A track day can help you to improve the way you look, but Bobbis right in that you "may" very well lose interest in riding on the street afterwards.

And remember, if you get into trouble on a corner, and you aren't scraping anything, then lean a little more.
All that plus pushing the little button that makes those red & blue lights flash that makes me the fastest on the road !!! :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Going Faster.....

Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 12:56 pm
by Neka79
falling off keeps putting me back!!
apart from lost confidence in urself, u lose confidence in ur bike!!...after
the track day i started getting better,quicker,smoother..then i crash & lose
it all again....i gotta stop falling off!!
also not knowing roads well slows me down, and not being comfortable with
the bike....and lack of insurance at the moment!! if it was sum1 elses bike
id ride slow so i dont hurt it, but if i was given a race bike & told "go
for ur life" i reckon id surprise myself...
Neka
2000 CBR 929RR
1988 KDX200 thrasher
1996 VS SERIES 2 UTE
"dont hate me cos im sexy, hate me cos ur mrs thinks im sexy"



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re: Going Faster.....

Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 3:03 pm
by Yankee
thanks for all the replys....
some really good advice in there :P

re: Going Faster.....

Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 6:45 pm
by smek
for me, so far it's been riding behind someone who knows what they're doing.

Re: re: Going Faster.....

Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 7:06 pm
by Blackzxr
smek wrote:for me, so far it's been riding behind someone who knows what they're doing.


And the part i didn't say, knowing when your over your limit, letting them go and riding within your limits.

Respect what it can do, as soon as you lose that, it will fark you up. 250-1000.

re: Going Faster.....

Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 7:16 pm
by gizmo
Most definitely track days, I barely ride on the road & my bike spends most of its time in the shed.

My 98 CR250 helped me heaps with getting better at stand up wheelies on the 636 however.

re: Going Faster.....

Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 7:17 pm
by Simmo_ZX9R
track days have really increased my confidence in the bike and my ability, having confidence in the bike and tyres is definately good, but also knowing your limits are a MUST!
l agree with Bobbi.. after trackdays riding on the road is soooo stressful...

re: Going Faster.....

Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 7:36 pm
by MadKaw
AS most people have said, its definately the track.
You won't find your bikes, or your, limits on the road. You shouldn't, anyway...
At the track you can find out how good your bike really is and find its limits. Then push it a little further, just to make sure, and when you're sliding on your ass, you then know what can and can't be done... :D
Better at the track than the road..

Re: re: Going Faster.....

Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 8:14 pm
by Smitty
MadKaw wrote:Better at the track than the road..


amen to that!

re: Going Faster.....

Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 8:58 pm
by YAPPA
HEADS UP, EYES WAY AHEAD, HEADS UP, EYES WAY AHEAD, HEADS UP, EYES WAY AHEAD , & TRACK DAYS, haven't done 1 on the 6r yet, waitin 4 new leathers, ohh & i need 2 get the bike back from the smash repairer :oops:

re: Going Faster.....

Posted: Thu Dec 09, 2004 8:58 pm
by mrmina
home turf i'm good with, anything out of that i'm slaming the brakes before the corner which is something i'm growing out off gradually. Just riding when u feel comfortable. Always look. I find now that some places where i use to slam the brakes, i'm looking through the curve, pulling back on the throttle, leaning more and it feels awesome.

i've been meaning to adjust my suspension, which i'll definately do over chrissy period with my tyres.

re: Going Faster.....

Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 8:57 am
by Blackzxr
yes, i saw it Mario :lol:

Re: re: Going Faster.....

Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 9:42 am
by mfzx6r
Blackzxr wrote:yes, i saw it Mario :lol:



:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:







mario

Re: re: Going Faster.....

Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 5:40 pm
by aardvark
Blackzxr wrote:yes, i saw it Mario :lol:


How could you miss it with all the stupid smileys? :lol:

re: Going Faster.....

Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2004 7:26 pm
by Felix
##This post may be more relevant to newer riders, but contains some info that may be of interest to all##

One of the keys to learning to do anything fast, is actually to learn to do it slow (well not everything. :wink: )

Learning to control your movements and developing the motor skills is overlooked by a lot of people, although they will sprout 'practice makes perfect', without realising we are basically talking about the same concept.

What you are training your body to do, is to be able to give only what is needed when it is needed with no conscious thought. I should add here, that experiments conducted in the UK showed that concious thought is SLOW. A conscious decision takes around 2 seconds to happen, whereas a reaction (unconscious thought process) will happen in a fraction of one second. So not only do you need to develop motor skills, you need to develop thought skills as well, so that you can get into that 'autopilot' mode.

The best way to develop these skills is actually to go and do some slow stuff, so that your subconscious can start programming itself through conscious efforts by matching inputs with outputs and results eg what a small throttle input does mid corner etc. You could try to do this at high speed, but it will take much longer to learn as everything will be happening too quickly, and more than likely you will have an off.

When I drive with a good turn of speed, the most notable thing is how much of nothing I am thinking about (the 'zone' as people phrase it). Really, it is about the absence of concious decision making and relying on the training I have been providing to my subconscious. I don't 'instictively' know how to rip through a corner, it is the result of years of practice and skill development. Which is exactly why I can't ride nearly as fast as I drive...yet.

My advice is to practice slow speed stuff, and really develop the skills and control needed before worrying about how to go flat out.

There is an old Zen saying along the lines "the faster you try to learn, the longer it takes".

Ok, I've nerded this up enough...