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either one of them will get you into trouble pretty quickly !! It just boils down to which one feels right *to you* - you need to test-ride both before you can make any judgements on this.

I haven't ridden either, so cannot offer any advice about which is the better bike. Having said that, get the '04 R6 !!

I got pulled over twice while on my p's for speeding on bikes I wasn't allowed to ride legally, and both times the police didnt even notice that I was a P Plater. As soon as I got my P's I bought my mates VFR800 as my zedzed250's lack of grunt was frustrating me on my longer rides.

The first time I got a ticket was on my VFR800 just outside of Cann River VIC on the way to PI for the motoGP. The police wrote me out a ticket (120 in 100), gave me a short lecture and sent me on my merry way. He didnt even notice the R PROV on my licence so I didnt cop a fine, but damn my heart was rattling around in my ribs I tells ya.

The second time was in Bungendore NSW where I was pulled over for speeding (this time on IK's 6R) and was sure I was going to get my arse handed to me, but once again Mr Plod failed to notice I was a P Plater, let IK and myself off with just a warning! The big fella upstairs sure was looking out for me!

Looking back had I stacked the viffer I would have been up shit creek financially. But I was lucky.. I cant say I would recommend it to another person.

I actually felt a lot safer on the VFR and in that regard I dont regret upgrading at all.

And from memory in the ACT/NSW you only get a fine if caught on a bike that is outside your licence allowance, there is no demerit points involved. Not sure what the VIC rules are in this regard.

Well sadly the cbr600rr just sold for $8200 which im pissed off because he said he wasnt letting anyone look at it until sunday (tomorrow) so looks like i might be getting an R6 or nothing depending on price!

thats not sad, thats fate. You won't be dissapointed with an R6, try and get the later model one.

remember, wait, the right bike will turn up. Mine did, for a thousand under what everyone else was asking, i only had to sacrifice my eyeballs as he had some hideous stickers on there that were off within a hour of it rolling off the bike transit van.

The decision is up to you... Just consider all ya options first.

Tweeddale wrote:I've been told that if caught I will lose no demerit points and a $110 fine and might go to court (at the worst) and also wont be insured my any means. And im not sure if they would bust me without P plates which is 3 points and a $360 fine...

Not sure how it works down in Wiktoria, but north of the border, getting done on a big bike while on a restricted license opens up the door to a whole world of potential hurt... to the tune of a good couple of grand in various fines.

If the cops want to just teach you a lesson, they might make you leave the bike by the side of the road and take you down the station for a chat... not to arrest you, but to ensure you're far enough away from the bike so that you have a fair hike ahead of you, hopefully in the blazing sun in full riding gear, before you inevitably get back on and sneak it home.

Personally, I'm loath to ride with n00bs on bigger bikes; in my experience, they tend to be precisely like you... lots of dirt riding experience extending back into their childhood, fuck-all experience out on the road, and a resultant combination of not-entirely-unjustified overestimate of their ability to handle a 200kg/100hp sportsbike and a shocking absence of roadcraft.

I have been looking at the zx6r but honestly i find the older models look like something out of miami vice (the old one) and the new one's tend to be a little over my budget of 9k, (sorry to those who own older zx6's).

That's ok. I'll pull your jacket over your head and kick you in the nuts later...

If you can't find a 636B (that's the '03-'04 Alien Invader model) that'll sell for just south of eight grand, you're not bargaining hard enough.

I am currently looking at an 2002 yamaha R6 for 7500 with 20,000k's and in beatiful condition with 10 month Registration (worth it??)

Getting there. I'd try to twist his arm into letting it go for about $6700.

or a 2003 Honda CBR600RR (thats the newer one with the exhaust under the seat) in beautiful condition with 25,000k's for $8600, but im worried about the amount of k's.

So, you're stroking your chin about a five-year-old bike with 20,000km, but a four-year-old one with 25,000km is a no-go? The difference between the odo readings on those two bikes amounts to an extra oil change.

That bike, you'd want to bargain down into the sevens.

a friend of a friend offered me a 2004 Yamaha R6 with 2300k's in perfect condition for $8500, which i think is a bargain, but hes not sure if he needs to sell it (His wife is making him!)

That's, actually, a 2005 R6; note the upside-down forks.

No brainer; out of those the three, the two-year-old bike with fuck-all km's on it is the tearaway favourite.

I-K wrote: Personally, I'm loath to ride with n00bs on bigger bikes;..

Tsk tsk, ya did it with me a few times and it all worked out ok

oh yea..and as a matter of "what the" ..over here if ur a p plate car driver, but a full licence bike rider, u can ride a r1/zx9 etc with a P plate displayed...

weird and confusing i tell ya!!

oh..and once u do ur L's on a bike, u move onto what easterners would call "provisional- P licence" over here they call an "r-date" and u DONT need to carry a P plate...

yea..i dont get it either

Apologies if this is a bit ranty but I get uncomfortable when I read these

The points and the fine are about the best thing that could happen to you.

The worst thing? You're out riding one day, you or someone else fucks up and you hit someone, car, bike, person, doesn't really matter but assume the law says it's your fault. Unfortunately you injure the other person, at best they get an ambo ride and a stay in hospital, at worst you put them in a wheelchair for the rest of their life. You are riding a bike that you shouldn't be therefore the third party personal injury insurer has an instant out clause and you are now left personally liable for the future medical care of the person you hit. You have no money and any future money you get will likely be partially used to go to this poor buggers care.

You've not only farked your life but there's as well.

I know this sounds awfully melodramatic but life is full of decisions and consequences. The decision your about to make could end up like this. I'll grant that it's unlikely but you never know.

Stay on a 250 or whatever your allowed to ride.

Glen wrote:Apologies if this is a bit ranty but I get uncomfortable when I read these

The points and the fine are about the best thing that could happen to you.

The worst thing? You're out riding one day, you or someone else fucks up and you hit someone, car, bike, person, doesn't really matter but assume the law says it's your fault. Unfortunately you injure the other person, at best they get an ambo ride and a stay in hospital, at worst you put them in a wheelchair for the rest of their life. You are riding a bike that you shouldn't be therefore the third party personal injury insurer has an instant out clause and you are now left personally liable for the future medical care of the person you hit. You have no money and any future money you get will likely be partially used to go to this poor buggers care.

You've not only farked your life but there's as well.

I know this sounds awfully melodramatic but life is full of decisions and consequences. The decision your about to make could end up like this. I'll grant that it's unlikely but you never know.

Stay on a 250 or whatever your allowed to ride.

Well said, it's not worth the drama's. How much longer do you need to wait?

What ever the wait is it's better than a possible lifetime thinking what a F@#k up i made, and never having the money t actualy buy a bigger bike when you out grow the 600 class.

Glen wrote:Apologies if this is a bit ranty but I get uncomfortable when I read these

The points and the fine are about the best thing that could happen to you.

The worst thing? You're out riding one day, you or someone else fucks up and you hit someone, car, bike, person, doesn't really matter but assume the law says it's your fault. Unfortunately you injure the other person, at best they get an ambo ride and a stay in hospital, at worst you put them in a wheelchair for the rest of their life. You are riding a bike that you shouldn't be therefore the third party personal injury insurer has an instant out clause and you are now left personally liable for the future medical care of the person you hit. You have no money and any future money you get will likely be partially used to go to this poor buggers care.

You've not only farked your life but there's as well.

I know this sounds awfully melodramatic but life is full of decisions and consequences. The decision your about to make could end up like this. I'll grant that it's unlikely but you never know.

Stay on a 250 or whatever your allowed to ride.

i still have the paperwork for the $750,000 i got sued for when i was 19 and cleaned up a knob on a harley... long story short, i wasnt at fault, but his mates with patches said i was, so the police believed em...

since he had a legit job as a builder, he was able to sue for his lifes wage for each yr until he retired at 60.... plus medical etc...

glad i was licenced...

You are riding a bike that you shouldn't be therefore the third party personal injury insurer has an instant out clause and you are now left personally liable for the future medical care of the person you hit.

I thought that the point of third party personal insurance being a part of the rego is so that there's always cover as long as the vehicle is registered.

MiG wrote:

You are riding a bike that you shouldn't be therefore the third party personal injury insurer has an instant out clause and you are now left personally liable for the future medical care of the person you hit.

I thought that the point of third party personal insurance being a part of the rego is so that there's always cover as long as the vehicle is registered.

Not as such. Certainly not in NSW and I'm pretty sure other states are the same. The third party personal injury cover is invalid unless the driver is licensed. If your not licensed to drive the particular vehicle then you're not licensed.

Glen wrote:The worst thing? You're out riding one day, you or someone else fucks up and you hit someone, car, bike, person, doesn't really matter but assume the law says it's your fault. Unfortunately you injure the other person, at best they get an ambo ride and a stay in hospital, at worst you put them in a wheelchair for the rest of their life. You are riding a bike that you shouldn't be therefore the third party personal injury insurer has an instant out clause and you are now left personally liable for the future medical care of the person you hit. You have no money and any future money you get will likely be partially used to go to this poor buggers care.

Sorry to shoot you down a bit Glen, but this isn't true at all. I rode on my P's, on a ZX7R, had an accident where the other driver was at fault. It was deemed he was at fault, the insurance company admitted fault, and I got the payout. I did acknowledge that I was riding on a bike I was not supposed to be on. It had no bearing on the case at all.
The bottom line was that, although it was only my P's, I was still licensed to ride a bike. In the end I was not even fined (deemed I had suffered enough), and by the time I had recovered I was able to get a full bike licence. The third party insurer has more to do with the vehicle than the licence.
This was all in NSW too

However, I'm still not condoning riding a big bike on your P's