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Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 7:30 pm
by ty
Marty, the StayUpright courses have actually changed over the last several years.
I did mine in 2005.
A uni mate of mine did his in 1998.
In his they did all I did, plus figure-8's, circles, lock-up control - heaps of cool stuff.
They no longer do that and there's normally 6-8 people per instructor.
ASBS had 3-4 people per instructor.
I don't know why StayUpright changed. While I thought they were good and worth doing, they paled in comparison to what my mate experienced.
I don't think anyone does that stuff anymore.
ty
PS. only two of the instructors at mine (there were 5 all up) were ex-racers
Posted: Thu Feb 01, 2007 8:11 pm
by Whitey
Strika, your Stayupright course sounds way better than the one I experienced in 2005.
Wheel lockups were not covered. The instructor/student ratio was about 1/7. There really wasn't much in the way of one-on-one instruction.
We spent the first half of the day doing classroom sessions, low speed manouveres in the carpark, and emergency braking instruction on the main track.
I felt that the first half of the day was barely more advanced than the instruction I received when I was doing my L's. The only difference being we were able to use higher speeds and more gears. The second half of the day was more satisfying. We spent most of the afternoon on cornering technique - lots of laps.
Like I said before though, I did feel that the course was good value, but I got more out of my Superbike School experience.
Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 11:00 am
by jewjew
go to HART and do a handling dynamics course, it doesn't cost much and is a good tune up and good fun
Posted: Fri Feb 02, 2007 8:07 pm
by mrmina
mick_dundee wrote:HART now do level 9 and 10 at Broadford Mina so stop talking and get it happening then. Only thing is, what happens if you book the day and it rains??
the joke is getting old give up homo.
Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 9:58 am
by Wardy
rocco wrote:fantastic thats what i was hoping hear........oran i think is booked out...will have to settle for ACT.
Thanks TY
ACT do it on the hill climb track (goat track) however for what the course covers it did the job. I watched my wife do the course there. I would not have got anything out of it, she didn't learn anything new but enjoyed spending a day on the bike practising what she already knows, so she would say do it.(she rides a 06 636) Most of the other guys I watched needed to do it. Most were on newish sportsbikes and from the standard of riding to standard of ego I am sure this course will save them from a nasty accident that was coming in the near future. I think the major area of concern was emergency braking, most were locking the rear and nearly stacking because of this. One guy didn't even touch his front brakes whilst attempting an emergency stop (riding gixxer thou). Also slow speed control ie clutch and brake, most didn't have a clue.
In conclusion if you do it and don't learn anything new at least you've spent the day brushing up on your techniques and thinking about what your doing instead of just cruising around with the mind in neutral.
It could also be a wake up call. Gees how the hell have I been riding for the past 10 years...
Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 10:15 am
by MiG
russ_2000_zx9 wrote:rocco wrote:One guy didn't even touch his front brakes whilst attempting an emergency stop (riding gixxer thou).
LOL, so many non riders that I speak to think that using the front brake should be avoided. I don't know how they managed to stop quickly on bicycles.
Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 2:49 pm
by gray_rm
I have done the Stay Upright "Advanced" and "Braking and Cornering" courses both at Oran Park - the "Advanced" in pouring rain.
My advice - do the first, but not the second, unless you want to just have a blat around Oran Park. It's largely the same as the first course, with only a few changes.
The Stay Upright could easily be called "Stay Alive" for the roadcraft they teach - which may not be a bad thing after all?