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the kid wrote:

Cath wrote: That cracks me up – who reads messages from the Attorney-General!?!?!?!

The same sort of person who reads legislation ???

Ok, ya got me

aardvark wrote:

DISCO wrote:I had just had one of my bikes at a bike shop 150m down the road from my house and I wheel it there and back as it isn't registered.

So you had an unregistered vehicle on a road, or road related area, and he didn't do you for it? Instead he gives you a finger wiggle. Sounds like you got let off lightly.

So, does you saying the above mean you might be the sort of officer, who would have issued an infringement notice for that?

aardvark wrote:

DISCO wrote:Is it Illegal to push a motorbike on a footpath?

I'd have to read the appropriate act for your state to advise with any certainty, but I can't see it being much different than the laws we have here.

Here, it's an offence to drive/ride/stand/tow/push an unregistered vehicle on a road (which includes a road related area - ie; footpath, carpark, verge etc).

Off topic.... YAY!! The orginal topic was getting a bit wearisome anyway.

Not quite off topic Ardy , just an example of how a law could be used in what seems an inappropriate way . Why threaten a person who has gone out of their way to point out that they are behaving in a safe manner and throw abuse at them for good measure ? Coppers like Disco's mate give all police forces in this country the mistrust of members of the public making it harder for the better coppers to do their job .
And what would you have done ? Booked him or just asked him to take care of any pedestrians sharing the footpath ?

Strika wrote:

aardvark wrote:

DISCO wrote:I had just had one of my bikes at a bike shop 150m down the road from my house and I wheel it there and back as it isn't registered.

So you had an unregistered vehicle on a road, or road related area, and he didn't do you for it? Instead he gives you a finger wiggle. Sounds like you got let off lightly.

So, does you saying the above mean you might be the sort of officer, who would have issued an infringement notice for that?

Thats scary , same thoughts as Marty

aardvark wrote:I'd have to read the appropriate act for your state to advise with any certainty, but I can't see it being much different than the laws we have here......Here, it's an offence to drive/ride/stand/tow/push an unregistered vehicle on a road (which includes a road related area - ie; footpath, carpark, verge etc).

you are kidding
FFS lock me up now for the many times that I have broken the law, hey Swabio you had better lay low... they are watching you

And Ardy, thanks for the heads up mate........ would have never known about this otherwise

ardy on that note though, what if your bike runs out of fuel say 100m down the road from a servo, would it be completely unreasonable to wheel it up the road or do you need a tow truck ?

Maybe in future its time to carry it on your shoulders

Saki wrote:ardy on that note though, what if your bike runs out of fuel say 100m down the road from a servo, would it be completely unreasonable to wheel it up the road or do you need a tow truck ?

Maybe in future its time to carry it on your shoulders

But your bike is registered

robracer wrote:

Saki wrote:ardy on that note though, what if your bike runs out of fuel say 100m down the road from a servo, would it be completely unreasonable to wheel it up the road or do you need a tow truck ?

Maybe in future its time to carry it on your shoulders

But your bike is registered

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh yeah

If you're sitting on it to push it though be prepared to wear your helmet as you're basically riding it - according to a friendly cop who told me once when the ol' GPX broke down.

Yep, thats right, sitting on it is still riding it, motor started or not, i think the problem is for the layman it does make sense to push the bike in a safe manner only a short distance, but the law enforcer knows the law, and i think its his job more to educate than just dish out their kind of "justice" be it a fine or a finger wiggle. I do agree with aardvark, that you were let off lightly but sounds like you got one of the ones that don't really differentuate between a crim and a customer so to speak.....

Also with the new act in SA and proposal here, new laws are always going to be met with mixed reactions, and i don't believe they ever get it 100% correct, but i do know that the illegal aspect of "gangs" are out of control and something needs to change. The only way i see these new laws affecting law abiding people is if you interact with them, and even then they will need to prove that you are involved in the illegal activity, if not they can list you as known to assosciate but no proof on actually being involved, but they do that now so no real change there. And i read someone mention about guilty until proven innocent being a myth, this is the hardest law that law enforcement work with, because they genuinly do need to prove guilt beyond all reasonable doubt, alot harder than people think. And as for speeding tickets we only get one part of them, in actual fact there are 3 parts and the proof's of the offence, speeding for example are on one of the other parts........

DaBigfella wrote:and i think its his job more to educate than just dish out their kind of "justice"

Totally and utterly disagree. There's a reason it's called Law Enforcement, and not Law Education. There are other sections of the public sector who are supposed to deal with education. This whole naby-pamby poofta approach that the various police departments currently have to law enforcement shits me to tears. Trust me, the wanker civil libitarians and hippies have brought about a change in the sort of person currently being recruited. These days, they are looking for 4 foot tall sooks who want to hug the crims and tell them it's alright and that their past is a perfectly good reason for their current behaviour.

The total and utter disrespect that the youth (and particular racial elements of todays youth are far worse than others) of today have towards, well, towards just about anyone are pitiful. Todays youth seem to be all about (and yes, I'm stereotyping - get off your high horse) "It's not my fault", and the way it's going, it's only going to get worse.

In 10 years time when you're too scared to walk down the street, in the middle of the day, because these fuckhead kids are so out of control, and the coppers don't want to turn up for fear of reprisal (or being on the receiving end of brain damage, which the courts consider to be ok - apparently) then you'll finally get a real glimpse at the direction society is currently heading in.

Most people today are either so ilinformed, or prefer to just stick their heads in the sand and make out it doesn't happen (hey, as long as it doesn't happen to you, it's ok... right?), that they think there isn't anything wrong, and that really, societal behaviour is no different than it was a decade ago. This is the reason I'm not getting directly involved in the debate surrounding the original topic. I have an intimate enough knowledge of what is really going on, and have dealt with enough victims, that I have my opinions about what should be happening with regards to these laws and others. However, anything I might have to say on the matter, or generally any legal matter on this forum, ends up turning into a "What a load of shit, we should be able to do whatever we want" rant by a number of members of this forum, who then suggest that my opinion is only as it is because of my chosen profession.

Having said that, I think I'm a pretty fair and reasonable person, and I do my job based around that presumption. However, there are several things I wont tolerate. Liers, smart-arses, and those that think they are above the law.

Having said that, if I came across someone pushing their unregisted bike along the footpath, we'd be having a chat. Their attitude from the start will determine the outcome. Be a cockhead from the start, you're nicked. Be a cockhead from the start, realise it isn't working, then decide to turn your attitude around? Stiff... Decide to be a reasonable person from the start, realise - after being told - that yes, you are doing the wrong thing, and the outcome will probably be different.

aardvark wrote: Decide to be a reasonable person from the start, realise - after being told - that yes, you are doing the wrong thing, and the outcome will probably be different.

I have come across this before ardy, & have been lucky to come across some very reasonable plod on occasion, this in turn has had an overall effect in the way which I conduct myself if caught in a situation (doesn't happen often) I am glad you are not the only one to have reasonable compassion when dealing with the public.

robracer wrote:I am glad you are not the only one to have reasonable compassion when dealing with the public.

Don't worry, it doesn't always happen.

If I'm working laser or mobile radar, and you're over, then you're in the book. Not wearing your seatbelt? Tough titties. Talking on the phone? Stiff. These are simple laws that everyone knows about. Even my 2 year old knows to put his belt on. You may not agree with them but they exist for a reason and no, the reason isn't just revenue raising. It's my job to police these laws. I do my job. End of story.

aardvark wrote:

robracer wrote:I am glad you are not the only one to have reasonable compassion when dealing with the public.

Don't worry, it doesn't always happen.

If I'm working laser or mobile radar, and you're over, then you're in the book. Not wearing your seatbelt? Tough titties. Talking on the phone? Stiff. These are simple laws that everyone knows about. Even my 2 year old knows to put his belt on. You may not agree with them but they exist for a reason and no, the reason isn't just revenue raising. It's my job to police these laws. I do my job. End of story.

Agree 100% with the basic laws you have stated, but this pushing the bike one steps into a real grey area for the unwary