L and P platers

[fireyrob]

Whats wrong with a mankini n helmet?

[Glen]

I was told by a L and P's trainer that when they introduced the new training requirements the incident of a rider crashing reduced significantly.

About 160 deaths per year of riders just starting out ie in their first couple of years (pre 1985), compared to less then 5 most years now. Pretty good result.

[loubre]

Ah bloody hell, here I am eating my lunch having a nice read and then I read that above, picture instantly flashes through my mind, right put me off me tucker it did!

[mohawk miss]

the worst accident seen by either of us was an Lplater being actively encouraged to ride outside her ability by her p plater boyfriend. End result = 1 new paraplgeic for the statistics.
I think its mindset, really, and unfortunately there doesnt seem to be an easy fix. I know for a fact that mindset contributed to the Honda riders broken wrist - he admits it sometimes - and I consider him a very good rider. I myself (as a learner) consider myself lucky to have been involved with / able to learn from the older wiser riding heads within KSRC.

Having said that I may need "mentoring" when I get well enough to ride again - may even have to stick a L plate on & a hi vis vest, been so long!

[Naked Twin]

Whats wrong with a mankini n helmet?

I wouldn't be surprised if someone has photos of you at least in just your helmet

[Nelso]

The point of the OP was more about how clueless these guys were about how to ride and the dangers they put themselves in. Leanne said after Saturday's crash how sorry she felt for him because his mates obviously have no idea either and he was an accident waiting to happen. Besides being an ex-racer, she is also an ex-RTA Instructor and was surprised this bloke had managed to pass his P's test, saying that she most likely would have failed him (for his own good) since he lacked the skill to ride safely.

I wonder if the problem is because the MOST test concentrates more on slow speed control and doesn't teach high speed cornering enough or was it that this bloke got a dud instructor or just had a poor attitude to begin with?

I still think it's a shame that the higher speed cornering is left up to the individual to learn after the training and testing is finished, as many will never learn to ride well. The fact that learning to ride well involves either knowing someone who knows better to mentor you including joining a group like KSRC, or forking out more cash to pay for more courses like CSS or Stay Upright, will stop most riders from ever progressing past the basic level of riding.

[born green]

during the 7 yrs i taught in brissy,u meet all sorts, from the young and dumb to the old and dumb!!! anyone who came to learn, got taught to the best of my ability, sadly most dont want to learn, they just wanted that licence to freedom!!! one young kid i taught from scratch,took him thru his 250 licence,he bought a baby blade, rode it for a year then traded it for a fireblade, day after i took him for his open licence he crashed it up mt Nebo and died!! so what do u do??? Dont have a problem with the lam's system, think it works ok. What i do have a problem with is the way they train here, whats with this riding around a paved area do a few turns and a slow emg brake stop!!!! here is ur licence, now get out there and surive!!!! my girlfriend did her's at deca a few years ago and i was gobsmacked!!!! Not that QLD was perfect either, but back then it was the best training system in australia.
SO what do they go and do!!! give it to private enterprise, and make it like the rest of the country!!!!

[Six Addict]

I reckon it's the Gen "Y" factor. The youth of today really don't have a clue. The do what is needed to progress, without understanding why.

Geez, we're not all bad

here here mate!!! apparently i shouldve already died from being a farkwit rider... but then again if i slow down one day some of the old bastards around here might be able to catch up to give me their opinion

[09sydrd]

..clueless these guys were about how to ride and the dangers they put themselves in.

i have no doubt you would have said the same thing about me back in 2007 when i got my L's, riding a gs500 i couldnt work out the gears let alone corner the fucker , i almost threw it all in and walked away from road riding, as for being a danger it goes with the territory as a learner imo, i went wide a few times across the otherside of the road , fortunately for me and others nothing was coming the other way , not because i was speeding but because i couldnt corner and had no idea, first time up putty rd i had a bloke overtake me towing a caravan around a bend because i was riding so fucking slow.

I wonder if the problem is because the MOST test concentrates more on slow speed control and doesn't teach high speed cornering enough or was it that this bloke got a dud instructor or just had a poor attitude to begin with?...I still think it's a shame that the higher speed cornering is left up to the individual to learn after the training and testing is finished, as many will never learn to ride well.

i agree 100% , if you pass the MOST you should have enough skill to ride at your allowed speed limit i.e 80km/h for learners, obviously speed comes with riding time or outside training and the rider in question learner the hard way that this is the case.If i come on a learner i will either pass them straight away and if not safe to do so i will pull over and let them go for the same reason that happened in this case i.e riding outside there ability bacause they feel like they are holding you up ect.

[-b-r-e-n-t-]

Stay Upright and/or CSS should be mandatory to all learner and p-plate riders. If it's somehow fused with the MOST test then even better..

[smithy5]

I reckon it's the Gen "Y" factor. The youth of today really don't have a clue. The do what is needed to progress, without understanding why.

Geez, we're not all bad

here here mate!!! apparently i shouldve already died from being a farkwit rider... but then again if i slow down one day some of the old bastards around here might be able to catch up to give me their opinion

Settle Petals I wasn't pointing the finger at anyone in particular, unless you were at Macca's last Saturday
I was generalising from my own experience, with my two gen "Y"s I have at home and them getting their licences

[huffy67]

i understand riding a bike is different to driving but l-plater have to learn as well, i know its best to learn while riding with someone but you cat so this all the time and when you pass ur test you have to ride by your self, what i am trying to say is dont discrimate against people who are trying to learn new things or in some cases re-learn new things, not all l-platers are shit, just because there are a few out who are giving them a bad name doesnt mean they all they all are, i mean if this was your son or daughter trying to learn something new you would encourage them now turn around and say " hey son, your shit i dont think u should do that anymore " what kind of mother or father would that make you " A SHIT ONE " just give them a fair go they paid there rego and taxes and are road users like you and me! respect them and if you see them do something dumb tell them or signal them and them know its now cool, or if you seem them pull into a servo just say hey mate what you did was not a very smart or safe thing, that alone wouls scare the crap out of them and get them thinking about being same, sorry to rant, but we were all learns once and we wouldnt of like people saying trhat about us now

[fireyrob]

Whats wrong with a mankini n helmet?

I wouldn't be surprised if someone has photos of you at least in just your helmet

Is this still bike related?

[Jonno]

Stay Upright and/or CSS should be mandatory to all learner and p-plate riders. If it's somehow fused with the MOST test then even better..

I agree, defensive and intermediate tuition on cornering and braking is fine but super-bike school teaching a rider to go faster isnt the answer for road riding IMO

I do think all new riders should join a recognised (legal) club where they have to do mandatory log book hours with registered mentors before being allowed off L & P plates, then a further year or so with said mentors before becoming open.
This does a few things, gets people involved in motorcycling at many levels and helps clubs, teaches respect, they learn a lot from older wiser and more experienced riders and hopefully are safer on the road as a result.
I am sure many older/ experienced riders would like to help and give something back for future generations, if the new riders are a bit of a gun they can be steered towards the track not the local hoon hangout. Have in place incentives like discounts on insurance etc.
None of us like hearing about accidents, it doesnt help our cause, insurance premiums or the public perception.

It is kind of like being a member of a recognised motorcycle club to obtain a full annual racing licence, you are competency tested by a recognised club member before they sign your application.

[robracer]

but we were all learns once and we wouldn't of like people saying that about us now

over 27 years ago there was a hell of a lot less traffic & idiots on the road & no compulsory rider training.... we all learns once but times are different now & considering the helping hand given to all learners there should be more common sense being used .... one would think. I laugh & feel sad watching a Learner squidding, knowing they have done the course & been told the drill about wearing the right gear etc especially at the most vulnerable time in their new found addiction ...... all goes out the window the day after the course ...... just my 2 cents.... Oh & I did a stay upright course before hitting the road, back then, I did a full day one on one course with Warwick from Stay Upright..... just after he opened at Amaroo, best thing I ever did!