Gulp

[seiko1]

To bad the Govermet are revenue junkies now though
We already knew they were bullshit!!!!!!!

[ttc]

Funny you should say that.. on friday there was a speed camera here (dark grey 4wd patrol).. http://maps.google.com.au/maps?hl=en&tab=wl

I've been going up and down that road up to 4 times a day for a year and a half and I have never seen or heard of an accident there.
But it's two lanes and it goes downhill.. perfect way to collect some cash.. (really wish they'd spend some of that money on the roads)

[clay]

Article from February Cycletorque...........

THE National Motorists Association Australia Inc.
has condemned Queensland Government plans to
introduce a host of new speed detection devices
including undercover speed camera vehicles without
any signs, red light cameras combined with speed
cameras, point to point speed cameras, and reduced
margins of tolerance for exceeding the speed limit.
The Queensland Government says it’s all part of a road
safety blitz despite statistics not stacking up. According
to the NMAA, official statistics demonstrate that speed
cameras don’t even reduce fatal crashes caused by speed.
52 fatal crashes were caused by speeding in the most
recent comprehensive crash report “Road Traffic Crashes
in Queensland: 2004”[1]. By comparison, in 1997, the year
speed cameras were introduced 51 fatal crashes were
caused by speeding and back in 1990 only 32 fatal crashes
were caused by speeding.
“Clearly speed cameras don’t save lives because they don’t
reduce fatal crashes caused by speeding. It’s time to take
a sober and objective look at the statistics, which actually
do not indicate the extra enforcement is having any road
safety value”, Michael Bates of the NMAA said.
“Speed camera numbers have increased steadily since
they were introduced in early to mid 1997. In recent years
we have seen the introduction of fixed speed cameras. All
this has been wonderful for governmental coffers but for
road safety it is flogging a dead horse. Speed cameras have
not produced an obvious decline in fatal crashes caused
by speeding and they obviously don’t reduce other types
of dangerous driving. Further, prior to the introduction
of speed cameras, speed caused only 12 per cent of fatal
crashes. In the most recent road crash report it caused 18
per cent.
“Clearly speed cameras don’t even target dangerous
speeding. They are either fundamentally flawed in design
for stopping it or any potential benefit is confounded by
using them primarily on roads designed to accommodate
speed.”
Bates went on to say the vast majority of enforcement
targets speeding, and sticking to our current limits, mainly
set in the 1940s, probably invites boredom and inattention.
Speed cameras cannot detect other types of breaches of
traffic rules, and the use of speed cameras is out of kilter
with the proven causes of crashes. n

Is that for real, most speed limits were set back then?

And ain't that the truth, the speed limits causing boredom and inattention. Or too much attention on your speedo and not your driving.

[seiko1]

It's a fact that the NT road toll has gone up after the introduction of speed limits on it's Hwy's.

Some interesting figures here http://www.roadsense.com.au/facts.html

[seiko1]

Can't remember which thread I was bragging about not being booked for 14 yr's but I just opened the mail............
75 in a 70 zone, $146 and one demerit ................








It's registered to me , but it's the Wifes
even at the speed limit she is dangerous

[clay]

Haha, do any of the coppers on this forum know your rego?

They might've passed it on to your LAC and told them to keep a look out for you.

[seiko1]

Haha, do any of the coppers on this forum know your rego?

They might've passed it on to your LAC and told them to keep a look out for you.

It's the Bike rego they should be interested in

[dutchy]

Haha, do any of the coppers on this forum know your rego?

They might've passed it on to your LAC and told them to keep a look out for you.

It's the Bike rego they should be interested in

I've already warned everyone i know about you Steve!!!

[seiko1]

Doh!

[dutchy]

shit that was quick!!

[seiko1]

shit that was quick!!

I've had a little practice

[Nelso]

Article from February Cycletorque...........

Now don't go bringing articles containing common sense into this Smithy.

One thing that speed cameras do achieve is make people slow down to way under the speed limit. I was driving this afternoon on a two lane each way divided major highway that was 70km/h as it went through a town and the fairly heavy traffic was crawling at 60km/h. When we approached the speed camera (which was on the other side and didn't even work for my side of the road) all the numbnuts hit the brakes and slowed to under 50! It nearly caused an accident as people nearly ran up the back of the dickheads hitting the brakes for no reason what so ever. When they passed the camera the idiots sped back up.... to fucken 60 again! It's like the idiots think they will get booked for almost doing the speed limit.

..... and while I'm having a rant over stupid drivers. Later on the same trip home today, this major highway goes to single lane for a stretch of about 15km with double unbroken lines for all but two very short stretches (where one car would be lucky to get around another car but my diesel 4wd has no chance of getting around a truck). This stretch of road IS one of the states major black spots where there HAVE been many deaths and it was here I had the displeasure of being stuck behind a semi carrying some sort of earthmoving equipment which dropped to speeds as low as 25km/h in a 100km/h zone. His top speeds reached 70 and once or twice going down hill (one of which was one of those rare overtaking opportunities, both of which had traffic coming the other way) he managed to get it up to 90 for a couple of seconds. The line of traffic behind me stretched as far as you could see yet the tosser refused to pull to the side to let anyone get around him as he slowed to a crawl going up every hill. Now I don't have the years of policing experience to give my opinion any credibility, but I would think the selfish truck (in this case, but it also includes caravans etc) driver who causes impatient drivers to take greater risks to get around them on these unsafe stretches of road would be far more dangerous and likely to cause a fatal accident than traffic doing a few k's over a 70km/h speed limit along a four lane divided highway.

Today I wasn't in any hurry and by the end of that stretch of road behind the truck I was starting to get frustrated so I can only imagine what the road raging drivers would feel in this situation. I would be interested to know how many of the "speed related" accidents involved getting past slower vehicles as I think risky overtaking would be a major cause of fatalities.

[smithy5]

..... and while I'm having a rant over stupid drivers. Later on the same trip home today, this major highway goes to single lane for a stretch of about 15km with double unbroken lines for all but two very short stretches (where one car would be lucky to get around another car but my diesel 4wd has no chance of getting around a truck). This stretch of road IS one of the states major black spots where there HAVE been many deaths and it was here I had the displeasure of being stuck behind a semi carrying some sort of earthmoving equipment which dropped to speeds as low as 25km/h in a 100km/h zone. His top speeds reached 70 and once or twice going down hill (one of which was one of those rare overtaking opportunities, both of which had traffic coming the other way) he managed to get it up to 90 for a couple of seconds. The line of traffic behind me stretched as far as you could see yet the tosser refused to pull to the side to let anyone get around him as he slowed to a crawl going up every hill. Now I don't have the years of policing experience to give my opinion any credibility, but I would think the selfish truck (in this case, but it also includes caravans etc) driver who causes impatient drivers to take greater risks to get around them on these unsafe stretches of road would be far more dangerous and likely to cause a fatal accident than traffic doing a few k's over a 70km/h speed limit along a four lane divided highway.

Today I wasn't in any hurry and by the end of that stretch of road behind the truck I was starting to get frustrated so I can only imagine what the road raging drivers would feel in this situation. I would be interested to know how many of the "speed related" accidents involved getting past slower vehicles as I think risky overtaking would be a major cause of fatalities.

As it is a black spot, that section of road obviously needs to be widened.......... but it will probably only get a speed camera

Being an ex-heavy haulage operator, I'll have to defend the truckie a bit here..... If he was running oversized, he is only allowed to operate during daylight hours as well as outside peak hours if within the metropolitan area, So he only has between 10am and 3pm or at best during daylight to move that machine to it's destination. He may have been moving the machine from Brisbane to Melbourne, if he pulled over every time a queue of traffic gathered behind him he would never get to his destination. Most of these truckies get paid by the job not by the hour, so they can't afford to pull over. Also, If the machine was going to be digging your new pool would you want him on the road or pulled up letting the traffic pass

[seiko1]

It nearly caused an accident as people nearly ran up the back of the dickheads hitting the brakes for no reason what so ever.

BINGO

[Nelso]

As it is a black spot, that section of road obviously needs to be widened.......... but it will probably only get a speed camera It already has one!

Being an ex-heavy haulage operator, I'll have to defend the truckie a bit here..... If he was running oversized, he is only allowed to operate during daylight hours as well as outside peak hours if within the metropolitan area, So he only has between 10am and 3pm or at best during daylight to move that machine to it's destination. He may have been moving the machine from Brisbane to Melbourne, if he pulled over every time a queue of traffic gathered behind him he would never get to his destination. Most of these truckies get paid by the job not by the hour, so they can't afford to pull over. Also, If the machine was going to be digging your new pool would you want him on the road or pulled up letting the traffic pass

I should have clarified and said it wasn't oversize but must have been heavy or his truck was severely underpowered. I usually sympathise with truckies but this guy sped up whenever a passing oportunity came up as they were all in down hill areas. A bit of common courtesy would have seen a few cars get around in a few spots without him having to slow down as there were large shoulders in many uphill sections that he could have driven in. I guess the problem is not really the truckies fault as the law entitles him to do what he did. The real problem is the gov spending money putting speed cameras in when they should be putting another lane through there, but I still think he could have considered other drivers more.