...plain stupid

[Smitty]

..and very sad

whats a P plater doing at 5.00am in the morning
with a pillion on


Toll climbs with biker's death

April 07, 2007 08:30am
Article from: AAP



THE death of a 19-year-old man just before 5am (AEST) today has pushed Victoria's road toll to four for the Easter weekend.

The man died when he was thrown from a motorcycle at the corner of Boundary and Governor Roads at Braeside, in Melbourne's south-east.

A second man, believed to be the pillion passenger, was seriously injured, a Metropolitan Ambulance spokesman said.

The man, believed to be in his late teens, suffered head, ankle and pelvis injuries and was taken to The Alfred hospital in a serious but stable condition.

The death takes Victoria's Easter road toll to four, one more than was recorded over the five days of the Easter period last year.


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f'gawds sake be careful out there

ride safe...please

[Phil]

if they were licenced to carry a passenger and wernt being silly - there is nothing in the story that says they were - i fail to see why it's "plain stupid"

[Lainie]

yeap agree, Tones mate is 21 just got his learners, has only been on a bike to do learners course and his girlfirend went and got him an R6 on Thursday. He is quite proud of himself and we both told him he will never ride near or with us as long as he is breaking the law... Silly ppl

[Smitty]

if they were licenced to carry a passenger and wernt being silly .............

AFAIK
at the earliest here...you can't take a pillion until 20

[Phil]

if they were licenced to carry a passenger and wernt being silly .............

AFAIK
at the earliest here...you can't take a pillion until 20

if thats the case they were a tad silly, but

up here as long as your not on your p's (even then i'm pretty sure if the pillion has held a black licence for more than 3 or 5 years its OK) you can take a pillion.

perhaps dale maggs should go and take his bike off him

[mick_dundee]

As best i'm aware Smitty there is no age restriction per se on carrying a pillion, meremy you have to have held your licence for 12 months and that the pillion can reach footpegs allocated to them.

Happy to be corrected if someone wants to provide the link to vicroads

[mick_dundee]

Here's what Dale Maggs has to say, make of it what you will....

The Motorcycle Riders Association of Australia (MRAA), following the death of a rider at Braeside today has called for Vic Roads to take action into relation to the design of Roundabouts.

Common Factor – Metal Signs. Today’s fatality is the third in less that six months, where a rider has struck the “directional chevrons” located on a roundabout.



Following the first similar accident last year the MRAA asked Vic Roads to commence a program to replace the metal pole chevrons with more frangible plastic replacements.

MRAA President Dale Maggs said today, “I’m very disappointed that once again a fatality has occurred due to the poor design and layout of roundabouts and associated signage. We plead with Vic Roads to replace dangerous signage with more frangible signs”.

The MRAA encourages the Coroner to investigate the relationship between these three roundabout fatalities.

For further information concerning this media release please contact MRAA President Mr Dale Maggs on 0432 776 458 or by email at president@mraa.org.au

[Neka79]

there u go...plain stupid right enuf..the govt put deadly, person-slicing signs in an area where ppl may run into them....

maybe the guys were on the way to work?? maybe they were riding reasonably sedately and just had a moment??

maybe it was black ice??

maybe he wasnt breaking ANY rules at all...

death doesnt take those who break rules..thats not how it works... unfortunately sum times bad things happen to good people...

maybe we should stop judging the guy and start sympathising with his freinds/family....


RIP dude!!

[Cam229]

I know that road and roundabout very well as I drive through it nearly every day.

On all approaches to the roundabout its 3 lanes wide, with ample space to manouver around. From what I read from Dale's comments, the rider has hit a directional sign.

The only way a rider (or driver for that matter) could hit the signs on that roundabout meant that they have failed to slow down for the roundabout and mounted the curbing

The questions to be asked here are:

Was the rider speeding? - Nice wide open road, 5.00 am not a lot of traffic around

Were they, or had they been drinking?

Like the morons who crashed their car on Friday morning on Sth Gippy Fwy, were they racing someone?

Were they distracted by other vehicles?

Unfortunately, of the only people who could answer these questions, 1 is no longer around and the other is laid up in the Alfred.

Thoughts go out to their families.

Its been ages since I was on my P's, but from what I can remember, here in Victoria, you can not have a pillion until you are off you restricted license.

My 2 cents worth.

Cam

[mick_dundee]

Cam, off restrictions is not necessarily the same as off your p plates. When I got my license some 6-7 years ago at a guess now, I had to ride the 250 for the L plates for 3 months then P's for 12 months, after that the only restriction was I still had to be .00 BAC whilst displaying P plates for naother 2 years, pillions and a larger motorcycle were fine.

Well put Neka, guy may well have been doing nothing wrong, either way he hasn't lived to tell the tale, RIP indeed.

[Smitty]

The questions to be asked here are:

Was the rider speeding? - Nice wide open road, 5.00 am not a lot of traffic around

Were they, or had they been drinking?

Like the morons who crashed their car on Friday morning on Sth Gippy Fwy, were they racing someone?

Were they distracted by other vehicles?

...snip..
My 2 cents worth.

Cam

I saw a further news report on this accident this morning
on the Teev
and the pics showed the remains of a Fireblade
in the middle of the roundabout as the police spokesperson
said that....
excessive speed was the major factor in this fatal accident


my question...
whats a 19yo doing riding a "Blade?
next question
whats a 19yo doing riding a Blade at excessive speeds
in the dark ( the accident occurred at 5.00 am)?

[Neka79]

The questions to be asked here are:

Was the rider speeding? - Nice wide open road, 5.00 am not a lot of traffic around

Were they, or had they been drinking?

Like the morons who crashed their car on Friday morning on Sth Gippy Fwy, were they racing someone?

Were they distracted by other vehicles?

...snip..
My 2 cents worth.

Cam

I saw a further news report on this accident this morning
on the Teev
and the pics showed the remains of a Fireblade
in the middle of the roundabout as the police spokesperson
said that....
excessive speed was the major factor in this fatal accident


my question...
whats a 19yo doing riding a "Blade?
next question
whats a 19yo doing riding a Blade at excessive speeds
in the dark ( the accident occurred at 5.00 am)?

well i was riding a zx6r at 20..... and it woulda been a year earlier if i hadnt lost my P's and had to start from scratch....

maybe he was going to work??

how often do the cops blame "excessive speed" cos its the simple explaination??


FWIW one of the guys i ride with her use to ride a 92 cbr900..... the kid was 16 and out wheelied a lot of the other guys..and he had his mrs on the back...

then theres the stunter Colton (cant think of his 1st name) who is 16 and stunting a cbr600 better than most guys on the road...

stop blaming age, and the rider..he learnt the ultimate lesson...as did his family..if he was guilty, he got a harsh sentence..if he wasnt guilty, then unfortunately he didnt get a chance to learn from this...

we get enuf negative criticism from cops,pollies and cagers, so lets stand up for one of our own...

[limegreen585]

+1 on your comments neka 79

[Smitty]

As best i'm aware Smitty there is no age restriction per se on carrying a pillion, meremy you have to have held your licence for 12 months and that the pillion can reach footpegs allocated to them.

Happy to be corrected if someone wants to provide the link to vicroads

Mick...........

per Vicroads (cut and paste)

Motorcycle - Licence & Learner permit restrictions
Riding your motorcycle
If you are issued with a motorcycle licence/learners permit you are required:

to wear an approved helmet while riding
carry your licence/learner permit at all times while riding the motorcycle

A person issued with a motorcycle licence for the first time will have the following restrictions placed on their licence for 12 months from the date the motorcycle licence is issued:

you cannot ride a motorcycle with an engine capacity exceeding 260 cubic centimetres
you must not ride a motorcycle while carrying a pillion passenger (a motorcycle and sidecar is acceptable with a passenger)
you must have a Blood Alcohol Content (BAC) of .00% when riding a motorcycle, even if you already have a full motorcar licence


Riding on a Learners Permit
Including the above restrictions, after you get your learner permit you can ride your motorcycle under the following addtional conditions. When riding you must -

display your 'L' plate on the back of your scooter or motorcycle
not tow a trailer behind your motorcycle


Riding on a Probationary Licence
Including the above restrictions, if you are issued with a probationary motorcycle licence, the following restrictions apply until the end of your probationary period:

display a 'P' plate on the rear of the motorcycle only
zero BAC

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lots more here-
http://www.vicroads.vic.gov.au/Home/Mot ... Permit.htm

but I got the relevant bits only

Based on the above, until you are off Ps -
no pillions
zero BAC
and nothing bigger than 260cc

hth

Smitty

[Phil]

thats funny, of the night of the accident they showed an 03 or so model r6 on its side and said the rider was 25, made no mention of speed or anything else.

cant believe everything you read in the paper, see on tv, or saw on the net.