Being A Member Of A Motorcycle Club Is Now Illegal

[mick_dundee]

MRA has no clout compared to the MCC anyway. One organises toy runs & the other tackles real agendas head on

Rob, just a heads up that Damien Codognotto has had nothing to do with the MRA for at least 3 years now and we do a little bit more than organise a Toy Run thnaks.

[Naked Twin]

After the weekend violence, four motorcycle gangs at war, I think guy will be the only one protesting these new proposed laws.

Nick

[robracer]

Rob, just a heads up that Damien Codognotto has had nothing to do with the MRA for at least 3 years now and we do a little bit more than organise a Toy Run thnaks.

No worries Mick, that was meant to be a critisisim against Damien not the MRA in general, I spent 6 years on various commitee positions for MRA NSW before its demise so I know what the MRA does & is capable of doing

[mike-s]

The guys that have een the subject of the original topic haven't been helping themselves in the last week or so.

[MadKaw]

I was watching the news the other day and one of the clubs, Notorious MC, was described as a motorcycle club without motorcycles..
WTF is that about.??

Same as this in yesterdays paper..

Sunday Telegraph Sunday reported on Islamic extremism group called "Parra Boyz" whose mantra is "target Aussies" on the streets. They HATE Australia, and idolise Islamic extremism.
These boys, many teenagers Police say as well as young adults are also known as Asesinoz MC and has 45 followers.

There are links to former slain Nomad bikie Todd O'Conner the Telegraph reported.

The Gang show off a range of hand guns and semi automatic weapons, though these are only in videos and there is no proof they exist.

[robracer]

The guys that have een the subject of the original topic haven't been helping themselves in the last week or so.

True, it was interesting to listning to Koshy on sunrise this morning acting shit scared when describing the Airport bashing, He must live a pretty sheltered life One comment on radio this morning that stood out was the fact that the unwritten code is out the window ... the one about women & children.

[fireyrob]

One comment on radio this morning that stood out was the fact that the unwritten code is out the window ... the one about women & children.

But not Sportsbike riders right?

It seems a Federal / International approach to these groups is whats needed. Its not a localised issue...

[Six Addict]

i read the paper this morning to have a look at the airport incident.... this is what i understand so far...

1. hells angels fueding with camancheros after hells angels petersham clubhouse bombed
2. bandidos also fighting with "notorious" not sure how this is related to the fued above if paper is correct (also who the fuck are notorious???) the papers are possibly just adding this to create the illusion of various wars being waged across sydney
3. bandidos bring in extras from adelaide to reinforce blacktown chapter after 6 houses shot up in auburn...which was apparently because some bandidos were passing info onto notorious gang members... (doh)
4. 4 comanchero's arrested having killed a "hells angels associate"... they left the airport in a taxi!!!! (doh)

[mike-s]

*STUFF*

You've got it reasonably close, though there's a recent knee-capping that you missed (cant remember who did that), notorious started by a former member of one of a OMC (forgot which, don't want to guess incorrectly, but i know its someone with lebanese background) started a clubhouse in kings cross, throwing out the unwritten rule that it was neutral territory and they don't mess with each other there due to various reasons.

Notorious seem to be in it for reasons less related to motorcycling and more related to the illicit trades than some of the other clubs (or at least they've put in less effort to maintain that illusion).

Either way it's gotten very messy very quicky with some rather pissed/annoyed people lashing out at others in clubs (and their unrelated family) with less than a solid basis. To be honest i'll be happy to stay a good couple of suburbs the hell away from it all.

[Six Addict]

mm the bandidos guys were passing on info to notorious, inparticular, the home address of the seargent at arms of the bandidos... someone was obviously gonna get whacked...

[Naked Twin]

The guy killed was a brother of a member of the Hells angel. Hells angels are a relatively small and new group in Sydney.

Notorious are a spin off "OMC" They infiltrated if you like another club. Broke the rules about letting old members leave then started their own club. There are many chapters of these OMC that operate under the main club but do their own thing to a certain extent, but when called upon do as they are told.

Notorious were paying a couple of guys in the commancheros for addresses so when that got found out a couple of shots got fired.

The reality is none of these bikie gangs are that interested in riding bikes. If you look at the original motorcycle gangs they started out of WWII and were in some cases ex soldiers with a communist background, like many gangs they morphed into what they are now.

In any case they can all f**k off, we don't need another fathers day massacre with these 1% shooting up the place and killing innocent people, if these new laws go some way to stopping these knuckle draggers then so be it, Guy should stop paying lip service to these gangs and state his position, is he for the gangs or against them.

Nick

[JetPilot]

I have a criminal record for firearm offences and assault with a deadly weapon causing grievous bodily harm with the intent to use my elbow.
So if you come riding with me you could be arrested.

[dave#3]

The guy killed was a brother of a member of the Hells angel. Hells angels are a relatively small and new group in Sydney.

Notorious are a spin off "OMC" They infiltrated if you like another club. Broke the rules about letting old members leave then started their own club. There are many chapters of these OMC that operate under the main club but do their own thing to a certain extent, but when called upon do as they are told.

Notorious were paying a couple of guys in the commancheros for addresses so when that got found out a couple of shots got fired.

The reality is none of these bikie gangs are that interested in riding bikes. If you look at the original motorcycle gangs they started out of WWII and were in some cases ex soldiers with a communist background, like many gangs they morphed into what they are now.

In any case they can all f**k off, we don't need another fathers day massacre with these 1% shooting up the place and killing innocent people, if these new laws go some way to stopping these knuckle draggers then so be it, Guy should stop paying lip service to these gangs and state his position, is he for the gangs or against them.

Nick

I've got no more time for the 1%'ers than the next bloke, but, the problem with these knee-jerk laws is that, once enacted, law enforcement agencies *may* use them outside of the context for which they were originally designed (and passed into law). A perfect example would be the anti-terrorism laws - I think terrorists are scumbags and any laws which make it easier to hang them are fantastic, but when those laws are used to prosecute people who have absolutely nothing to do with terrorism these laws shit me. I think Guy has the vision and foresight to recognise that misuse of laws can and does happen.

[Naked Twin]

The guy killed was a brother of a member of the Hells angel. Hells angels are a relatively small and new group in Sydney.

Notorious are a spin off "OMC" They infiltrated if you like another club. Broke the rules about letting old members leave then started their own club. There are many chapters of these OMC that operate under the main club but do their own thing to a certain extent, but when called upon do as they are told.

Notorious were paying a couple of guys in the commancheros for addresses so when that got found out a couple of shots got fired.

The reality is none of these bikie gangs are that interested in riding bikes. If you look at the original motorcycle gangs they started out of WWII and were in some cases ex soldiers with a communist background, like many gangs they morphed into what they are now.

In any case they can all f**k off, we don't need another fathers day massacre with these 1% shooting up the place and killing innocent people, if these new laws go some way to stopping these knuckle draggers then so be it, Guy should stop paying lip service to these gangs and state his position, is he for the gangs or against them.

Nick

I've got no more time for the 1%'ers than the next bloke, but, the problem with these knee-jerk laws is that, once enacted, law enforcement agencies *may* use them outside of the context for which they were originally designed (and passed into law). A perfect example would be the anti-terrorism laws - I think terrorists are scumbags and any laws which make it easier to hang them are fantastic, but when those laws are used to prosecute people who have absolutely nothing to do with terrorism these laws shit me. I think Guy has the vision and foresight to recognise that misuse of laws can and does happen.

You might want to read his email on page 1, his vision is fairly short sighted if you are going to use the example that any Harley rider will be pulled on presumption that they are part of motorcycle gang. Your reasoning is flawed for why these laws shouldn't be passed, what you are saying is the law is okay but the application will not be, misuse only happens in extreme cases and if that means the majority of society are protected then so be it and to be honest if you lay down with dogs you are likely to come up with fleas.

Nick

[Six Addict]

im not so sure nick, not saying these laws will be used against us but no doubt they could be even just to hassle motorcyclists...

motorcyclists regularly just get puled over by the cops so they can have a go at giving us a defect, even if we're just riding along at or under the speed limit minding our own business...

so what if a copper whos gotten out on the wrong side of the bed in the morning trundles up to the pits, doesnt like the look of us all wearing our KSRC (note the use of the word club) gear and decides he's gonna stir shit up... not saying its likely, but possible...

i'm sure that there are enough laws already covering what these laws cover, altho the latest fad seems to be just to create "anti hoon laws" or "home invasion laws" or "anti bikie laws"

and what of a club like the ullyses, or god squad, who wear colours? (for want of a better term) altho several bike gangs convinced the ullyses to give up wearing their patches whilst riding through 1% turf )

surely even in the strictest and narrowest terms a ullyses member is now breaking the law??