Fri Jan 06, 2006 4:59 pm
netgear never had a problem with - dlink = crud
Fri Jan 06, 2006 5:41 pm
Personally I avoid DLink from my experience at primus.
Netgear seems ok, as you don't have to specify an IP for IPSec which you do with a DLink.
You want to enable the WSP-TSK to be able to set the key. Most netgears simply need a firmare upgrade after you've set them up, and they are easy to upgrade because you do it through the web login in IE.
LinkSys is my preference.. Cisco owned cheaper brand.
Sonicwall seem good to for security as you have to enable each user on the router before they can have net access which is good. But they aren't cheap compared to the rest.
Not sure where abouts you are in sydney, but I use these guys in Melbourne and they are CHEAP and have a shop in NSW.. http://www.msy.com.au they should be ALOT cheaper than a Harvey Norman.
Dan
Netgear seems ok, as you don't have to specify an IP for IPSec which you do with a DLink.
You want to enable the WSP-TSK to be able to set the key. Most netgears simply need a firmare upgrade after you've set them up, and they are easy to upgrade because you do it through the web login in IE.
LinkSys is my preference.. Cisco owned cheaper brand.
Sonicwall seem good to for security as you have to enable each user on the router before they can have net access which is good. But they aren't cheap compared to the rest.
Not sure where abouts you are in sydney, but I use these guys in Melbourne and they are CHEAP and have a shop in NSW.. http://www.msy.com.au they should be ALOT cheaper than a Harvey Norman.
Dan
Fri Jan 06, 2006 6:07 pm
Thanks Dan - and everyone 
Fri Jan 06, 2006 9:32 pm
I would have recommended the Belkin till I saw the fry eggs comment. Netgear make sensational stuff but not often the most user friendly routers going around.
Linksys, not used them much, not enough to comment one way or the other. Used to be a big wrap for D-Link but last 2-3 years the standards seem to be slipping somewhat and they seem to be like Microsoft, releasing shit before they shuld then having to provide firmware patches to fix the fuck ups.
Having said that, i've been out of the game for near 12 months now and this shit changes weekly so take someone elses advice is my recommendation
Linksys, not used them much, not enough to comment one way or the other. Used to be a big wrap for D-Link but last 2-3 years the standards seem to be slipping somewhat and they seem to be like Microsoft, releasing shit before they shuld then having to provide firmware patches to fix the fuck ups.
Having said that, i've been out of the game for near 12 months now and this shit changes weekly so take someone elses advice is my recommendation
Fri Jan 06, 2006 10:08 pm
I have tried many different brands....
Belkin is cheap, but works ok.... or at least it does at the 3 places I have set one up... Although I found I had to update the firmware to make it run really well...
DLink is probably a bit better and only slightly more expensive... Netgear is similar to Dlink, although I found netgear easier to set up...
I have also installed Intel and Cisco gear... both of which are way more expensive.... They allow for a lot of options that you probably dont need (encryption, pptp and VPN networks and stuff like that) ... they were also more time consuming to set up...
So far, I have found the easiest to set up the Netgear one....
DO NOT buy from Hardley Normans.... ever... or office works.... both shops hire the people who did an IT course that guaranteed a job at the end of it... haha...
But yeah, if you have questions, feel free to PM or call me...
Belkin is cheap, but works ok.... or at least it does at the 3 places I have set one up... Although I found I had to update the firmware to make it run really well...
DLink is probably a bit better and only slightly more expensive... Netgear is similar to Dlink, although I found netgear easier to set up...
I have also installed Intel and Cisco gear... both of which are way more expensive.... They allow for a lot of options that you probably dont need (encryption, pptp and VPN networks and stuff like that) ... they were also more time consuming to set up...
So far, I have found the easiest to set up the Netgear one....
DO NOT buy from Hardley Normans.... ever... or office works.... both shops hire the people who did an IT course that guaranteed a job at the end of it... haha...
But yeah, if you have questions, feel free to PM or call me...
Fri Jan 06, 2006 10:16 pm
javaman wrote:They're nice if you secure it properly, otherwise the neighbors will get free internet
Make sure you write down your password and put it away. I can get on five different networks, mine is the only one secure. I like it that the neighbors are dumb just in case I need another ISP, bahahahaha
Fri Jan 06, 2006 10:51 pm
Hey belkin worked fine just got very hot like incredibly hot in summer and i would brand it a fire risk but would be ok in a airconed office.
Dlink isnt hot to the touch but if you where clueless you might have a hard time setting it up needed to add the dns number manually might have said something about that in the manual i didnt get to reading that yet.
ehh just need something to make the internet work when the puter is nowhere near the telephone line.
hey i bought the router from dick smiths aka woolies but where else do you get one at 3.30pm on a public holiday.
ohh works fine with belkin cards too.
Dlink isnt hot to the touch but if you where clueless you might have a hard time setting it up needed to add the dns number manually might have said something about that in the manual i didnt get to reading that yet.
ehh just need something to make the internet work when the puter is nowhere near the telephone line.
hey i bought the router from dick smiths aka woolies but where else do you get one at 3.30pm on a public holiday.
ohh works fine with belkin cards too.
Fri Jan 06, 2006 11:39 pm
I've seen Belkins and Netgears fail due to overheating when Ciscos (of course), DLinks (surprise there) and 3Coms were still fine under the same or worse operating conditions. The only trouble I've ever had with Ciscos is power supplies.
I haven't had a good run with Netgear products, although some of the guys at work don't mind 'em.
Linksys quality improved out of sight when Cisco took over. There are still a few tricks with some of them, though - like the router at work with a third party beta firmware version 'cos the factory software was too unstable ...
I haven't had a good run with Netgear products, although some of the guys at work don't mind 'em.
Linksys quality improved out of sight when Cisco took over. There are still a few tricks with some of them, though - like the router at work with a third party beta firmware version 'cos the factory software was too unstable ...
Sat Jan 07, 2006 1:39 pm
going slightly off topic...
Our Cisco core router has been dying lately at work...it needs a new firmware to fix it...new firmware requires increase in RAM...RAM upgrade costs more than new model of router
We bought new router...
Our Cisco core router has been dying lately at work...it needs a new firmware to fix it...new firmware requires increase in RAM...RAM upgrade costs more than new model of router
We bought new router...
Sat Jan 07, 2006 2:42 pm
Felix wrote:going slightly off topic...
Our Cisco core router has been dying lately at work...it needs a new firmware to fix it...new firmware requires increase in RAM...RAM upgrade costs more than new model of router
We bought new router...
Welcome to the world of Cisco - where everything is available for those who can throw large enough amounts of money!
Danny
Sat Jan 07, 2006 3:14 pm
Felix wrote:going slightly off topic...
Our Cisco core router has been dying lately at work...it needs a new firmware to fix it...new firmware requires increase in RAM...RAM upgrade costs more than new model of router
We bought new router...
That's Cisco though mate, and it's not Firmware it's the ISO... Well technically it is the same thing but you can't compare a Cisco router to a SOHO anything really.
Tue Jan 10, 2006 9:56 am
You guys make my head hurt !! 
I'd ask if you can have wireless using dial up but that would make you laugh at me
I'd ask if you can have wireless using dial up but that would make you laugh at me
Tue Jan 10, 2006 12:49 pm
mfzx6r wrote:You guys make my head hurt !!
I'd ask if you can have wireless using dial up but that would make you laugh at me
No it wouldnt...
You can have wireless dialup... You just need an SLR incrobot with bi-linear portoscopic relay and a flux capasiter to relay your R.A.P.T bit packets to the local telco... Do you have on of those? Ask for one at Dick Smith
Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:10 pm
*smacks stere upside his missing head*
1) get a router that can do ppp dialup backup & has a wifi access point, or
just a plain pc with internet sharing enabled.
2) make sure the router has a wifi access point on it, or plug in a wifi access point module to the router / pc via cat5 cable (about $120 from dick smiths or harvey norman, (they are a little grey box with a green and a yellow light and a dicky little antennae). OrRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR use a wifi pci/usb/pcmcia card on the pc and just set the cards to run in "ad hoc" mode.
remember, always set a encryption key at the least!
1) get a router that can do ppp dialup backup & has a wifi access point, or
just a plain pc with internet sharing enabled.
2) make sure the router has a wifi access point on it, or plug in a wifi access point module to the router / pc via cat5 cable (about $120 from dick smiths or harvey norman, (they are a little grey box with a green and a yellow light and a dicky little antennae). OrRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR use a wifi pci/usb/pcmcia card on the pc and just set the cards to run in "ad hoc" mode.
remember, always set a encryption key at the least!
Tue Jan 10, 2006 1:35 pm
Dan wrote:That's Cisco though mate, and it's not Firmware it's the ISO... Well technically it is the same thing but you can't compare a Cisco router to a SOHO anything really.
Yes, I know...it is there subtle way of saying "We don't want to support that old crap anymore. But if you really want to, hand over $$$$$..."
Yes, it was the iso, but from where I sit, if you can flash it, it's firmware! Anyhow, thank goodness I don't look after the boring Network Architecture...