Clutch-less gearchanging ... why?

[Neka79]

plus it looks cool!!...im ussually riding with one hand (i get a lil excited
wen i ride, and the other hand comes in usefull)
Neka
2000 CBR 929RR
1988 KDX200 thrasher
1996 VS SERIES 2 UTE
"dont hate me cos im sexy, hate me cos ur mrs thinks im sexy"



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[Neka79]

also u get less "arm pump" from using the clutch all the time...and less
chance of RSI, or carpal tunnel syndrome..
Neka
2000 CBR 929RR
1988 KDX200 thrasher
1996 VS SERIES 2 UTE
"dont hate me cos im sexy, hate me cos ur mrs thinks im sexy"



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[Neka79]

NO.....dont encourage matty or ian to get into a farkin debate of
intelectuallity!!.NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Neka
2000 CBR 929RR
1988 KDX200 thrasher
1996 VS SERIES 2 UTE
"dont hate me cos im sexy, hate me cos ur mrs thinks im sexy"
> I'm sure someone like Matty or Ian could word this betterererrr. But it
can n has been proven to be faster and better for such Machines.
> Cheers Brett




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[Neka79]

mina..did u ever change the box oil?? they are 2 strokes, have pre mix oil
inot the fuel for the motor, and there own box oil...2 strokes dont have the
engine braking of a 4 stroke, and often changing gears on them wont pull em
up at all...well , not much, they just scream louder...tho i would think the
take off wouldnt b sogood for the box..funnily enuf, newer bikes are getting
lighter, and dont seem to last like they use to (lighter parts means
weaker-tho with new technology, thats starting to change)
Neka
2000 CBR 929RR
1988 KDX200 thrasher
1996 VS SERIES 2 UTE
"dont hate me cos im sexy, hate me cos ur mrs thinks im sexy"



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[Neka79]

Bystander- "hey fat arse get off the bloody kids bike, and give it back to
the kid"
mina- "i am the bloody kid"
Bystander- "oh...so u are..."
...this all happened last week......lol.pmsl
Neka
2000 CBR 929RR
1988 KDX200 thrasher
1996 VS SERIES 2 UTE
"dont hate me cos im sexy, hate me cos ur mrs thinks im sexy"
----- Original Message -----
From: "icebreaker" <daniel@tunedloud.com>
To: <ksrc_gendisc@ksrc-au.com>
Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 8:26 PM
Subject: re: Clutch-less gearchanging ... why?


> rofl..
>
> a gearbox in an old 2 stoke trailbike prob isn't going to be the same
design as a much later model road bike..
>
> I could be wrong.. plus you were 14.. and prob the size of a 21yo riding a
pee we 80.. rofl
>
>
> Mina's Dad: Tell Mina to put his helmet on...
> Mina's Mum (Reply): It is on...
> Mina's Dad: owe so it is..
>
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[Neka79]

funy really, that my bike wont go into 2nd without the clutch UNLESS its on
one wheel...dunno if its because
a. the oil pickup is low like a duke or sum other technical reason
b. wen im on 1 wheel im ussualy flogging fark outta it & my revs are much
higher than theyd normally be?...
Neka
2000 CBR 929RR
1988 KDX200 thrasher
1996 VS SERIES 2 UTE
"dont hate me cos im sexy, hate me cos ur mrs thinks im sexy"



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[Quarkz]

Geez Neka! Look who's the post whore now!!

[Neka79]

yes..but im the ORIGINAL post whore....i been pissin em all off for abt 5
years now!! GO ME
Neka
2000 CBR 929RR
1988 KDX200 thrasher
1996 VS SERIES 2 UTE
"dont hate me cos im sexy, hate me cos ur mrs thinks im sexy"



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[MadKaw]

ummmm, I wouldn't recommend clutchless down changes.... and I don't know why you would want to anyway... It could cause damage and the possabilty of compression lock up becomes very high.... You have more control with your engine braking and revs if you use the clutch to down change...

[Blackzxr]

I agree. I just looked at the title and agree'd... Why?

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ummmm, I wouldn't recommend clutchless down changes.... and I don't know
why you would want to anyway... It could cause damage and the possabilty
of compression lock up becomes very high.... You have more control with
your engine braking and revs if you use the clutch to down change...


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[FoxyZX6R]

um, could somebody please tell me how you manage to up shift with no clutch? ie speed/rev matching, ive got a zzr 250
thanks

[icebreaker]

next you ride.. try this.. say from 2nd to 3rd..

accelerate, apply some pressure on your gear selector, now when your ready to go up a gear simply back off the throttle and the selector will jump up a gear, and then apply throttle again..

Once you get the hang of it you can back off and go back on the throttle in a simple movement and change gears with your left foot at the same time. It's just a matter of good timing and abit of practice.

[Smitty]

ummmm, I wouldn't recommend clutchless down changes.... and I don't know why you would want to anyway... It could cause damage and the possabilty of compression lock up becomes very high.... You have more control with your engine braking and revs if you use the clutch to down change...

agreed
coz I don't know that anyone of us have 'slipper' clutches in our bikes...

[Smitty]

um, could somebody please tell me how you manage to up shift with no clutch? ie speed/rev matching, ive got a zzr 250
thanks

zzr_angel

as Dan suggested
but two comments
don't back off the throttle...too savage
ease off as you prod the gear lever up
and
can I suggest you do it between 3rd and 4th or 4 and 5th (at about 50-60kmh) as a start..
2-3 can be a bit harsh unless you are used to doing it

hth

cheers

[Wannabe]

Hmmm. More opinions on this than I expected. Nothing that convinces me otherwise though.
Track-days/racing is not what I'm querying here. As stated already, racers use the clutch on downshifts to control rear wheel speed & prevent compression lock-up.
Now it's not that I can't do clutch-less shifts, I just don't see why it is supposedly better or what the benefits are for use on the road.

How could it be better for your gearbox to NOT use the clutch?
How many of you have seen just how small the dog-teeth are that engage the gears? I'd say that you would start using you clutch more if you did.
They are particularly small and easily damaged. I've done 2 gearbox rebuilds (ZZR600 & ZX6R) for a friend of mine. He used to clutch-less shift, but no more. No more gearbox problems since then either.

Now I admit that by actually using the clutch, some clutch wear will result but I'd rather replace my clutch than rebuild my gearbox. Especially as in 12+ years & 120,000k's of riding I've never had to replace a clutch. (Maybe I should hang on to a bike longer than 2-3 years then eh )

So, any other takers? My fishing expedition is not yet over

BTW Neka, I know what you mean about your bike not wanting to shift 1st-2nd with the clutch, while on one wheel. I have had a similar experience with my SV650. Can't tell you what causes it though. Bit of a mystery