Advice please

[Possum]

Plenty of steep down hill and up hill action on the weekend.. A few "you've got to be shitting me" moments all good though. What brought me unstuck was a really steep ravine.. downhill, then straight up. The bike came to a sudden stop at the bottom and off i came. Definately learning to lift the front would have helped and im working on it, but i want to know how should it be done? I cant seem to find anything specific on riding terrain like this. Any ideas?

[laidback]

Don't ask me...I dont know...

[h.b.bear]

More practice and eventually you will stop falling off

[Possum]

Cheeky! I only had one off for the whole weekend! but i need to know 'how' to do it better, cause clearly what i did is not right

Don't ask me...I dont know...

you would have liked the river stuff

[laidback]

That's why I called the DRZ 'Bronc'...

[z900/zx9]

Not being a trail bike specialist i am thinking looking ahead far enough and having a line that u intend to take in your head before you get there as well as comitment to that line surely might be a step in the right direction.

[robracer]

Poss get some logs / obstacles in the back yard & practice getting the wheel up over them, its surprising just what you can do when you are forced to, basically just use the clutch to build up the revs & drop it, 2 stroke works off throttle as does the 511

[6maniac]

Coming from a trials bike perspective .....

Downhill = bum as far back over rear wheel as possible, more front brake than rear.

Uphill = can't help - trials bike will just pull uphill at a low speed, due to much lower gearing.

HTH ..

[Possum]

Yes im basic This is what i did.. - the second pic im guessing i should do by lifting the front before i get to the bottom? is this correct?

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[RustyAs]

Pos,

Assuming steep incline going in and just as steep going out + beginner

Going down
1 go slow
2get your body position right: bum as far back as possible
3arms out stretched BUT not locked straitght. you need some give in them, just like shocks
4 go slower, as slow as possible, using rear brake . Dont worry if you lock the the rear a bit, just ease of to keep forward motion.
5 front brake only if confident. Usually leads to locked front wheel and the front washing out.
6 get the bike into the lowest gear possible, depending on speed and incline, you need a fair range of revs to be able climb as far out before running out of revs and needing to change up


Across and up

1.for a beginner, If possible have the bike come almost to a stop, or very slow crawl, as the front tyre nears the other side, obviously this will depend on balance etc
2.at this point you either bounce the front to get the weight off and the front tyre up, or allow the tyre to roll up the incline WITHOUT loading up the front suspension.
this is where most of the problems occur. The front hits the other side at speed the front suspension dives loads up and springs back. knocking you off balance.
3 apply power, generally lots of it !
4 as you apply power you need to pull your self as far forward as possible, get your head over the handle bars, as you need your weight to keep the front end down
5 dont wory about wheel spin, you adjust your weight back to get grip if needed.
Better this than all the weight back and the bike flipping
6 as you start to climb, adjust revs / wheel spin to ensur you keep forward momentum. Sometimes you may need to wheel spin all the way up, depending on the ground.

sounds easy, but it is a hard one to get. but once you get it, it does become easier and you can do it with more speed.

hope this helps

cheers

Rusty

[Possum]

Pos,

Assuming steep incline going in and just as steep going out + beginner

Going down
1 go slow
2get your body position right: bum as far back as possible
3arms out stretched BUT not locked straitght. you need some give in them, just like shocks
4 go slower, as slow as possible, using rear brake . Dont worry if you lock the the rear a bit, just ease of to keep forward motion.
5 front brake only if confident. Usually leads to locked front wheel and the front washing out.
6 get the bike into the lowest gear possible, depending on speed and incline, you need a fair range of revs to be able climb as far out before running out of revs and needing to change up

YAY Did all that... may have been a touch faster than i should, but was still in control

Across and up

1.for a beginner, If possible have the bike come almost to a stop, or very slow crawl, as the front tyre nears the other side, obviously this will depend on balance etc
2.at this point you either bounce the front to get the weight off and the front tyre up, or allow the tyre to roll up the incline WITHOUT loading up the front suspension.this is where most of the problems occur. The front hits the other side at speed the front suspension dives loads up and springs back. knocking you off balance.

Ooo Yup this where I came unstuck. Balance and the kick back would explain how i ended up a bit further away from the bike than just a drop. There was no chance to let the front roll up, so maybe i should have tried to bounce it. Its freaking daunting but i'll give it a crack .. the worst that can happen is coming off.. and thats over rated

3 apply power, generally lots of it !
4 as you apply power you need to pull your self as far forward as possible, get your head over the handle bars, as you need your weight to keep the front end down
5 dont wory about wheel spin, you adjust your weight back to get grip if needed.
Better this than all the weight back and the bike flipping
6 as you start to climb, adjust revs / wheel spin to ensur you keep forward momentum. Sometimes you may need to wheel spin all the way up, depending on the ground.

sounds easy, but it is a hard one to get. but once you get it, it does become easier and you can do it with more speed.

hope this helps

cheers

Rusty

Thanks! that helps heaps!..
I dont have any issues going up or going down, it just the bit at the bottom on such a steep incline.
Awesome thanks.. More practice YAY

[seiko1]

ravine..

Must........resist......the.......urge.............

[Nelso]

Learn to sip the clutch and pop the front wheel up, then learn to do it standing up and you will eat these obstacles up for breakfast.

You could always book into Dale Corser's dirt bike school (http://www.corserconceptsmotorcycleschool.com/) the next time you are up this way and get taught the right way in a fun, professional environment so that you don't have to learn the hard way through trial and error.

[Possum]

Learn to sip the clutch and pop the front wheel up, then learn to do it standing up and you will eat these obstacles up for breakfast.

You could always book into Dale Corser's dirt bike school (http://www.corserconceptsmotorcycleschool.com/) the next time you are up this way and get taught the right way in a fun, professional environment so that you don't have to learn the hard way through trial and error.

Thanks Nelso.. I would luv nothing more to master this skill.. the little XR doesnt have the power "just to pop it" so any help im open ears!
(I did have a crack Sat arvo at trying to pop the front wheel.. smacked my head on a branch and bit my tongue..blood everywhere ) was a very quiet Possum that night - see if i can dig up the pic one of the guys took

[Nelso]

1st gear, clutch in with two fingers only, give it lots of revs and drop the clutch. Don't slip the clutch at all either, just let it off instantly. Also, lots of revs means WOT. Be ready to shut the throttle off when the front comes up the first few times, but as you get used to it, you will be able to control how high to get the front up and how long to keep it up. Once you can do it on a regular basis, try doing the same thing standing on the pegs.