Handling

Could very well be tyres, I've had different tyres handle braking into corners differently. One particular brand would stand the bike up and almost send it into the bushes at the slightest touch of front brake in a corner.

Thanks Mick, I have two different brand tyres on it at the moment and the front is pretty worn so I will see how it goes when I get a new front hoop.

A worm front tyre will go along way to exibiting the behaviour you speak of, but as The Hoff has said it it also to do with suspension setup . I'd try the tyres first and it if havent set the bike up for you with the correct sag etc thjat would be the next thing I do.

I can brake all the way to the apex with both my bikes no problem, I can also increase the amount of front brake without either of them standing up while heading toward the apex. That is all about getting the right setup :kuda.:

What I dont do - so I dont know if the bikes would do it or not - is go from no brakes to getting on the front mid corner, then it comes back to the brake before the corner scenario discussed in this thread earlier.

Another story all together, and as has been discused ad-infinitium, is the "riding the pace" topic - but thats a discussion to be had elsewhere.

Hope this go some way to answering your question

Peter - what size rear tyre do you have on the rear at the moment - 180 or 190? I found that mine stands up a bit more on the 190 that I currently have on it over the previous 180 that I got the bike with. It's not a great deal but it's there. I also note that the Z does have the tendency to stand up a bit more mid corner compared to my Hayabusa, so I think it's also partly a design of the Z1000.

I'm an old dirt rider and trail the rear brake a fair bit as well on the Z around corners and it seems to help!

Sell the Z, it's obviously not the bike for you.

ITS THE HANDLEBARS!

when you brake your putting weight on the bars pushing it upright. my Z was the same.

squeeze the tank with ya knees and relax the arms while braking in a turn and the bike wont stand up as much.

A worm front tyre will go along way to exibiting the behaviour you speak of, but as The Hoff has said it it also to do with suspension setup . I'd try the tyres first and it if havent set the bike up for you with the correct sag etc thjat would be the next thing I do.

I can brake all the way to the apex with both my bikes no problem, I can also increase the amount of front brake without either of them standing up while heading toward the apex. That is all about getting the right setup :kuda.:

What I dont do - so I dont know if the bikes would do it or not - is go from no brakes to getting on the front mid corner, then it comes back to the brake before the corner scenario discussed in this thread earlier.

Another story all together, and as has been discused ad-infinitium, is the "riding the pace" topic - but thats a discussion to be had elsewhere.

Hope this go some way to answering your question

Thanks Phil, do you own a Z1000 ??

Peter - what size rear tyre do you have on the rear at the moment - 180 or 190? I found that mine stands up a bit more on the 190 that I currently have on it over the previous 180 that I got the bike with. It's not a great deal but it's there. I also note that the Z does have the tendency to stand up a bit more mid corner compared to my Hayabusa, so I think it's also partly a design of the Z1000.

I'm an old dirt rider and trail the rear brake a fair bit as well on the Z around corners and it seems to help!

I have a 180 on it at the moment so that's not an issue bassmaniac.

Sell the Z, it's obviously not the bike for you.

Why would you say that ttc ?? As I have stated a few times I'm just trying to understand "what is normal behaviour for this bike" before I put any money into it. As far as liking the bike is concerned, I LOVE IT but I bought it to ride hard so asking a simple question about the handling characteristics of the bike from those who have owned them a lot longer than me should'nt mean that I don't like the bike, Should it ????

see wattie's response...

ITS THE HANDLEBARS!

when you brake your putting weight on the bars pushing it upright. my Z was the same.

squeeze the tank with ya knees and relax the arms while braking in a turn and the bike wont stand up as much.

I'll give it a go Wattie, I usually try not to put much pressure on the bars anyway but I'll concentrate on it next time out. I am not worried about it at all, just a learning curve, or tyres, or adjust my riding style a bit, whatever. I only mentioned it originally because the bike definately stands up under front brakes more than any other bike I have owned, which in itself is not a problem, but It made me curious as to whether it is normal for this bike or a tyre issue. When I put it on the back wheel the issue dissapears ??

Sell the Z, it's obviously not the bike for you.

Why would you say that ttc ?? As I have stated a few times I'm just trying to understand "what is normal behaviour for this bike" before I put any money into it. As far as liking the bike is concerned, I LOVE IT but I bought it to ride hard so asking a simple question about the handling characteristics of the bike from those who have owned them a lot longer than me should'nt mean that I don't like the bike, Should it ????

Why? Because what you are doing you were told was dangerous.. and chose not to listen, and got nasty about it too..(nice way to make people want to help you )

I highly recommend you stop blaming the bike and do a braking and cornering course, they advise against using the front brake whilst cornering.. unless you know more than the instructors do .?? Maybe you should be taking the time, setting up your lines, and have all your braking and gear changes done BEFORE the corner.

Zed's were never made to be ridden incredibly hard, they're put together out of cheap nasty components, it's never going to handle as well as a proper sportsbike (well unless your name is Wattie or your last name is Doohan) Your front forks have suspension in one fork only, they're twitchy, and the rear end is like a pogo stick. So I suggest you sell it and buy another Honda.

hah we breed the women feisty around here

i have a kick arse setup on my Z atm and with the extra power i am pulling out, its not having any problems getting up with more powerful bikes! Esp on the twisties!

If you brake while the bike is on lean and the front wheel is on an angle it will slow the bike an make it want to naturally fall down which is why everyone is saying NO NO NO, cause u will lose the front end i have done it also on my 250!

Worn front tyres tend to stand up a bit more too so I wouldn't get too worried about how the Z is handling until you've got a fresh set of hoops on it, otherwise you'll end up chasing your tail fiddling around with the settings

I thought pre load settings were pretty simple, obviously not for some !

In all seriousness Peter, have no fear , dont be afraid to play with the bike, its a learning curve and will help you understand what each thing does..