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Postby seraph » Tue Sep 01, 2009 5:21 pm

Can I pretty please get some advice regarding my new 1979 Z650 SR?

OK I got her roadworthied *chuckle* now I gotta get her safe to ride...

Brake lines have no feel in them, been suggested to get braided lines. Where do I start? Who sells braided lines for old bikes?

Also need a solution for the starter motor, it's really hard to start when it's cold, and it's only going to get worse. What can a little lady do to fix/replace/solve a starter motor that doesn't work very well (the starter clutch is going)

Finally (for now) the revs just ... drop out sometimes :? get really low and stalls at the lights. It's fine when she's warm since she starts up again all right, but I'm not willing to trust my luck... Can anyone tell me why that might be happening and how to fix it? Stalling is kinda embarrassing, but I still can't wipe the grin off my face :D :D :D

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Re: Z650 help

Postby Wattie » Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:08 pm

wait for gos to come in for the other stuff,

but the brake lines are pretty standard things, you just mainly need to get the right length. 8)

cheating way is to ride into a pirtek or enzed and ask to get some made up 8)

but i donjt think they'd solve the problem complete.the m/c and calipers could do with a clean out i'd reackon. :?
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Re: Z650 help

Postby Six Addict » Tue Sep 01, 2009 6:09 pm

calling gos... ;)
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Re: Z650 help

Postby Gosling1 » Tue Sep 01, 2009 7:59 pm

Some pretty common problems for this model mate..... ;)

Brakes - these are always an issue on these models.......there are a few ways to fix this.

First thing is replace the current brake lines. Braided lines are great - if you lived down here I could knock up a set for you :kuda: - its unlikely that Pirtec or Enzed will do this, I know the local Enzed bloke won't sell complete kits because they are not ADR-compliant.....but he sells me all the bits for *off-road use only* ;)

What a brake shop will do however - is knock up a set of new rubber lines. This can be a great option, especially if you want to stay with the stock look. All you need to do is find a local brake shop that makes its own lines (most do) - take your old lines in, and they will knock up some exact replicas including fittings. Because the rubber is new, these lines work *almost* as good as braided, and will do so for several years.....and because you are replacing stock rubber lines with stock rubber lines - there is no problem with ADR shit....

The master cylinder can have a kit put through it, where the piston and seals are all replaced, and the bore gets a slight hone to remove any imperfections. This can cost anywhere between $100 and $200 depending on the shop. You could always replace the stock m/c with a later model one - ProblemChild bunged on a CBR600 m/c on his old Zeddie, it works really well. The stock m/c (is is one of those long rectangular jobbies?) - never was a great unit even when new - the bike reviews at the time (and hard evidence from riding the bastards :kuda: ) - confirms this.

The brake calipers can probably do with a really good clean - as in take the calipers off, remove the brake pistons, clean them right up and replace the seal - I can almost guarantee that the rubber seal around each piston will be rooted. This can cause the piston to stick or seize, or just have a shitty 'feel' at the lever.

Its not as easy to replace the stock calipers with late-model stuff, but these calipers actually work quite well, if they are spotless, have good quality pads in them (EBC) and are being fed good quality brake fluid.

There's not much else you can do with these style of brakes, the old single-slider caliper is an old design that does work, but even when new needed a lot of lever pressure to remotely approach lock-up .... :lol:

Starter clutch - this just needs to be replaced with a new one, eventually it will just stop engaging altogether and spin, and the bike will never start. Any good mechanic should be able to replace it without taking the motor out of the frame or splitting the cases (as the manual says.... :roll: ). The starter motor can be re-wound if the windings are on the way out, and you can get replacement brushes for the starter motor from Z1 Enterprises in the US. Generally, its the brushes which are worn out and need replacing. This is an easy job for any auto-sparky if you have the bits.....

Stalling at the lights etc - it needs the carbies balanced ASAP. Set up idle mixture etc. Also the float height on these models has to be right. Its worth checking the gauze filter that can be found on the 'seat' part of the needle & seat. This can be clogged up. Check the vacumn line from the #2 inlet to the fuel tap - if this is old and a bit stuffed, it can cause fuel-flow problems.....

Its worth taking the bike out to Hyside Leathers, talk to Mick Du Hamel, tell him that Dave from ACT Z Owners sent you there, and get Mick to tune up the bike ! :kuda: :kuda: There are some pretty knowledgeable bastards up in the Qld Z Owners, and they should be able to tune the bike up so she runs sweet as.

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Re: Z650 help

Postby seraph » Tue Sep 01, 2009 9:28 pm

Thanks Pecks. Mick from HiSide called me "cherub", years ago... been lookin for an excuse to go see him again *swoon*
Going to do as much of the work myself as I can (tools and time permitting), got the service manual for it but haven't read it yet and figured this place was a good starting point. The front brake calipers have already been cleaned and schmicked up, grippy bits replaced, brake fluid changed, etc, all that's left to do is the lines. Have a yamaha master cylinder on it, not sure of model, etc... will be addressing that asap :P Yamaha, YUK!

Never seen the a starter motor up close before, thanks for the advice on that, and as for the carbie balancing, well I'll give it a red hot go, I couldn't possibly make it worse than it currently is. SOme of the stuff you said is pure gibberish though... I guess I'm gonna have to read the manual :kuda:

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Re: Z650 help

Postby Gosling1 » Wed Sep 02, 2009 9:22 pm

no worries mate :kuda: - and if ya gonna use that old handle.....its Pex !! ;) :lol:

Mick is a top bloke - I ran into him at the Wakefield Park round of PCRA racing back in February this year - he was on his long-term travelling around the race-circuits thing, fixing up leathers here there and everywhere.......

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Re: Z650 help

Postby seraph » Sat Sep 05, 2009 1:22 pm

hahaha gonna call Mick today, bitch broke down and left me stranded in the middle of the night out in ipswich *snarl* I just keep throwing munny at her and she's still temperamental. Bloody old bikes :D :D :D It's ok though, I got rescued by a very handsome man who turned up with a bottle of wine, a trailer and more muscles than 57 oxen *swoon* I love that bike, it gets me more attention than a short skirt....... ;)

And as for that handle, dear Pex, I nearly wrote "Pecksh" since every good story I've heard about you from th'old days was at least half a bottle of bourbon into the night, well into slurring territory...
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Re: Z650 help

Postby Gosling1 » Sat Sep 05, 2009 9:43 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol: and the older we get, the better those stories become !!!

Once you get the basics sorted out - these are really reliable bikes. Some of the things that need TLC...

* Battery - got to be in good nick. A new one is highly recommended if you haven't already got one.
* Reg/Rectifier - check the output. Sometimes these go 'open circuit', and don't regulate the charge to the battery properly....which will fuck the battery pretty quickly.
* Alternator - check the 3 yellow wires which feed the AC current up to the Reg/Rec. These get brittle with age and can crack/split, especially near that farken shitty grommet down on the alternator cover.....also the windings should eb checked out to make sure they are all OK.
* The Wired George Coil Mod - this is a must on old zeddies. A relay is wired up to feed a good solid +12v into the coils directly, instead of relying on +12v to be fed through and ignition switch and a kill switch. Mick DuH should be able to do this mod for you no worries.
* New plug caps. Often overlooked. Often the cause of shitty spark. New plugs is good too...... :kuda:

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Re: Z650 help

Postby Dustproof » Mon Sep 07, 2009 6:27 pm

seraph wrote:Can I pretty please get some advice regarding my new 1979 Z650 SR?

Also need a solution for the starter motor, it's really hard to start when it's cold, and it's only going to get worse. What can a little lady do to fix/replace/solve a starter motor that doesn't work very well (the starter clutch is going)

Finally (for now) the revs just ... drop out sometimes :? get really low and stalls at the lights. It's fine when she's warm since she starts up again all right, but I'm not willing to trust my luck... Can anyone tell me why that might be happening and how to fix it? Stalling is kinda embarrassing, but I still can't wipe the grin off my face :D :D :D

Thanks kids :) J.


Hi Seraph,

Is you starter turning over quickly? I found with my SR the starter is slow and sluggish, this causes the Starter Clutch to slip. I got a Starter overhaul kit off Ebay.

As for tuning, get rid of the Points ignition and upgrade to electronic. Mine is sweet now, I can kick it from cold with no problem's. Have a look under the tank; over the Carbies and find a knob, use this to adjust the idle speed and it will help the stalling problem.

BTW, after riding a modern bike the brakes on these bikes feel wooden. The first thing you think is F$%# it doesn't stop, you get used to it, if you have new Pads it takes a while for them to bed in. Changing the Brake Hoses is definately a good idea and is on my shopping list as well.

Are you NSW based? and by the way is that you sitting on the SR in your previous POST? It is good to see another SR.

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Re: Z650 help

Postby seraph » Mon Sep 07, 2009 9:48 pm

Hi Dust, my starter does the clicky thing. Is that what you mean? Not in NSW but I go home to sydney pretty regularly, so if you've any parts spare I'd be mad keen to get my paws on them. And yes, that was me on my Z... that's not a motorcycle related question, is it? :P J.
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Re: Z650 help

Postby Dustproof » Thu Sep 10, 2009 6:43 pm

seraph wrote:Hi Dust, my starter does the clicky thing. Is that what you mean? Not in NSW but I go home to sydney pretty regularly, so if you've any parts spare I'd be mad keen to get my paws on them. And yes, that was me on my Z... that's not a motorcycle related question, is it? :P J.


When you say it does the clicky thing, it could be very well a bad battery. When a battery has lost charge or broken down the solenoid clicks like mad. I would whip out the battery and get it charged and checked by an auto-electrician, maybe look at replacing it with a newie. It is hard to diagnose remotely but these are some of the things you can try.

Ahh, yes that was a motorcycle related question :oops: .... sort of! Some posts seem to be aimed at you being a guy, you don't look like any guy I've seen at least not in a while anyway. I figured if you were reasonably local I could give you a hand to get the Z happy again... just love playing with motorcycles.
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Re: Z650 help

Postby seraph » Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:17 pm

lmao... I AM a lad... I just happen to be trapped in the body of an incredibly good looking woman... but thanks, I fix my own bikes :P It's not the battery, definitely the starter motor is the problem. I'll sort it out this weekend, fingers crossed I don't have bits left over.

On another note, do you know where I can get new rubbers for the airbox? I don't like the pods, but I'm missing a couple of the rubber ... things... and the ones I have left are rock hard. I don't even know what to call them... J.
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Re: Z650 help

Postby Gosling1 » Thu Sep 10, 2009 9:47 pm

seraph wrote:lmao... I AM a lad... I just happen to be trapped in the body of an incredibly good looking woman... but thanks, I fix my own bikes :P It's not the battery, definitely the starter motor is the problem. I'll sort it out this weekend, fingers crossed I don't have bits left over.

On another note, do you know where I can get new rubbers for the airbox? I don't like the pods, but I'm missing a couple of the rubber ... things... and the ones I have left are rock hard. I don't even know what to call them... J.



Ain't that the truth *drools* :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Jaimie - that clicking can also happen, if the big contacts inside the solenoid get 'carboned-up' - basically, over time, carbon is deposited on the large contacts that sit inside the solenoid. All thats required to fix it, is remove the solenoid, take it apart (carefully) - and clean the carbon off the contacts with a brass toothbrush or some steel wool.....you just want to get the contacts all nice and shiny. The carbon deposits stop the solenoid from working properly. A battery that is showing anything <12v can also cause the clicking as Dustproof has said.

What you are looking for are called the Airbox rubbers. You can still get these new from Kawasaki, and in surprising news, they are only about $15 a pop. At least, thats what a mate of mine paid a few weeks ago, when I did the head on his GPz 750. It makes installing the carbies a lot easier. The trick with the new airbox rubbers - take the air-filter out, and install them from inside the airbox by pushing them through the hole and onto the carbie. Its way easy doing it this way.
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Re: Z650 help

Postby seraph » Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:20 am

Thanks for the advice (and compliments!) Today is officially SpannerDay ™, and as soon as I knock back this beer, I'm going downstairs to get started, accompanied by my faithful hound and what's left of this 6-pack. I love long weekends :D J.
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Re: Z650 help

Postby dub » Fri Sep 11, 2009 11:57 pm

Gosling1 wrote:[What you are looking for are called the Airbox rubbers. You can still get these new from z1enterprises, and in surprising news, they are only about US$40 for the 4 (plus postage). At least, thats what a mate of mine paid a few weeks ago, when I did the head on his GPz 750. It makes installing the carbies a lot easier. The trick with the new airbox rubbers - take the air-filter out, and install them from inside the airbox by pushing them through the hole and onto the carbie. Its way easy doing it this way.


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