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ZX10R Crim and the frame that isnt cracked WITH HI-RES PICS

PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:12 am
by Saki
Hey guys,

Post update, here is the Crack which isn't really a crack on HI Res pics !!
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Re: Crim and the cracking frame

PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 4:09 pm
by z900/zx9
Funny enough one day i bumped into some dude who had the best blinged crim i have ever seen.Said he used to work for some race team or something like that and mentioned that 04/05 have been prone to frames cracking.As to how to fix it MMMmmmmmm dont know ;)

Re: Crim and the cracking frame

PostPosted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 4:19 pm
by Wattie
i've heard of it on US, but not here...

my guess a fix would be a new frame... not as expensive as you may think. :?

Re: Crim and the cracking frame

PostPosted: Thu Sep 17, 2009 10:12 pm
by Saki
Ok, well i ahave noticed a very small crack in the centre of the factory weld.
So to me i would assume rather than try and fast around with Kawasaki Australia which i am more than positive they wont be jack shit about anyway,

Im going to take it to a fabricating joint and get them to redo the weld for me. So that should be the ticket to fixing the issue, plus because its right in the centre of the weld rather than in the metal of the frame, should be a pretty straight forward job!

Re: Crim and the cracking frame

PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 7:42 am
by Glen
Post up a photo mate. I haven't heard of any here doing it.

Re: Crim and the cracking frame

PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 7:49 am
by MickLC
Glen wrote:Post up a photo mate. I haven't heard of any here doing it.


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Re: Crim and the cracking frame

PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 7:52 am
by Saki
I actually did a search and there was a pic of a guy in the US that had the same kind of crack... Ill take a snap and pic it up.
I figured there is no point trying to deal with Kawasaki Australia as they will most likely tell me to get farked!

Re: Crim and the cracking frame

PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 8:30 am
by Glen
Saki wrote:I actually did a search and there was a pic of a guy in the US that had the same kind of crack... Ill take a snap and pic it up.
I figured there is no point trying to deal with Kawasaki Australia as they will most likely tell me to get farked!


You could try but I think they'll play the "abuse" card, or claim its been stacked etc.

Re: Crim and the cracking frame

PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 9:33 am
by Saki
Glen wrote:
Saki wrote:I actually did a search and there was a pic of a guy in the US that had the same kind of crack... Ill take a snap and pic it up.
I figured there is no point trying to deal with Kawasaki Australia as they will most likely tell me to get farked!


You could try but I think they'll play the "abuse" card, or claim its been stacked etc.

yeah thats right,

Ok verdict is in!! I went to Kawasaki Team Moto in Maroochydore and they are going to try to get me a new frame.
Then went to the professional metal people and more so a guy that deals with fixing welds and doing up bike frames and he says

ITS NOT A CRACK!! yaaaayyy, but more just a tiny bit of stress on the frame and the paint and chipped off a little bit! So the metal isn't seperated its still all in 1 peice but just as the frame gets a bit of flex it can happen.

He was telling me about his DR650 and said the frame on that has the same kinds of marks from being jumped and bashed around! He said its nothing to worry about its normal for it to do that!
He did say however even if it got a crack it wouldn't happen very fast and it can be fixed pretty easily! Just a case of taking airbox and wat not out!

Re: Crim and the cracking frame

PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 10:45 am
by Glen
Good result mate.

Were Team Moto gong to try and get a frame gratis or are they thinking you're paying for it?

Re: Crim and the cracking frame

PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:01 am
by Saki
Glen wrote:Good result mate.

Were Team Moto gong to try and get a frame gratis or are they thinking you're paying for it?

na i explained to them that Kawasaki have been giving people new frames so i assume they might do the same, but its gunna be $400 for an engineer to put a VIN on it and then 15 hours labour if you pay shop to pull down 1 bike and put it into the other.
Either way im still a bit suss about the hairline mark on the weld, but if the pro looked at it which he had a good look and sounded genuine about it not just trying to fob me off, then i guess i'll take that as its ok!

He said the engine mounts are welded around the outer edge, not actually centre of hte tube welded to the frame, sounds a bit confusing but he showed me wat he ment, so that outer weld is more just a cover as its the inside of the frame which is the important weld!
So EVEN if it is cracked its not really important! I think thats why he said its not a huge concern!

Re: Crim and the cracking frame

PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:03 am
by Saki
also anyone else with a crim, check around under the fuel tank along those welds as well as the mounts that the crash knobs mount onto as that is the most prone places to crack.

Also out of interest what is the build date on others Crims, mine is an 04/04.
The early mode zx14's had a factory recall due to the same issue!

Re: Crim and the cracking frame

PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 11:04 am
by MadKaw
I was talking to Laurie Alderton a while back and he told me has welded a couple up..

Re: Crim and the cracking frame

PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 12:05 pm
by Glen
Saki wrote:also anyone else with a crim, check around under the fuel tank along those welds as well as the mounts that the crash knobs mount onto as that is the most prone places to crack.

Also out of interest what is the build date on others Crims, mine is an 04/04.
The early mode zx14's had a factory recall due to the same issue!


Mines an 03/05

Re: Crim and the cracking frame

PostPosted: Fri Sep 18, 2009 12:25 pm
by Saki
MadKaw wrote:I was talking to Laurie Alderton a while back and he told me has welded a couple up..

where abouts did he weld them ?
I had a really good look at it just before and the guy is right, looking at it its hairline and only on the surface and its pretty minor also, if it gets worse tho, she will be going in!