Choosing the right Tyre

Mentioned elsewhere, thought I'd share it.

When it comes to sport bikes, the subject of tires is a common topic of discussion, and few topics evoke as much passion or controversey. What is the best tire? How old of a tire should you run? When is a tire worn out? How many heat cycles will a tire last? Where is the best place to purchase replacements? What is the best tire pressure? Etc., etc., etc. The answer to every one of these questions is the same; it depends. Depends on your riding style, where, when, and how frequently you ride. However, there are some guiding basics that will help you make the best decision. One thing to remember, is that tire technology is moving extremely fast. The greatest performance tire of all time from a few years ago can't even compare to today's sport-touring tires.

The Compromise

What is the best tire? First we need to realize that all tires are a compromise; primarilly, a compromise between mileage, wear, slow-speed handling and high-speed handling. The answer to this question is also extremely suggestive and depends a lot on you. While the Dunlop or Michelins race-bred tire may be the most popular, that doesn't necessarily make it the best tire for you and your riding style. Different tires and tire brands have different characteristics. For example, Dunlop's tend to have stiff sidewalls and pointy profiles, while Metzelers lean towards very soft sidewalls and very round profiles. And this can change from one tire make to another and from tire models. Well, which is better? Again, that depends on you. I personally prefer soft sidewalls, I feel they give me more confidence in bumpy corners, but that is just me. You may really like the firm feel of a stiff sidewall. Some tires are designed to slide earlier to warn the rider they are approaching the tires' limits. Many riders really like this feel while for others the sensation of sliding the bike around is terrifying and will instantly destroy any confidence. So the best tire for you is the tire that works with your individual riding style. Also, different tires can dramatically affect the way the bike handles.

Profiles

Tire profiles are a huge part of how the tire feels to the rider. As I mentioned before, some tires will have a very pointy profile. This makes the bike feel very willing to lean and gives the rider the sensation of a very quick turn-in . Pointy profiles give the largest contact patch while leaned over. However, pointy profiles make the bike feel skittish and unstable when going straight. Some riders don't like the sensation of a bike that falls into corners. Some tires have a very round profile. This helps the bike feel much more stable while going straight but doesn't give the bike that flickable feel that pointy profiles have. A round profile, however, allows the rider to set a line in a corner and have that line stay consistent. Once your line is set in, the bike will track predictably along that line (until the rider decides to change it). They provide a very neutral feel. Some riders complaing that round tires make the bike feel sluggish and reluctant to turn. Finding what is best for you depends on your riding style, riding ability and personal preference. Remember, that as a tire wears, specifically in the center, your profile is altered and the design of the tire is compromised.

Tire Compounds - Road, Sport, Race

What is the best tire compound? It depends . . . on how you ride. Many people believe that a race compound tire is stickier and allows them to ride faster and with more confidence. This might be true for those of you who ride on the track, but not everything that works on the track works on the street. Before we get into the hows and whys, understand how a tire works. When a tire is heated, the rubber becomes more pliable, allowing the tire to ooze into all the nooks and crannies of the surface you are riding on. However, as the tire heats and cools, it goes through a process called outgassing . Literally, parts of the tire are turned into gasses and escape, resulting in the changing of the chemical makeup of the tire. The results of outgassing cause the tire to become brittle or less pliable, hindering the tire's ability to conform to the road surface. Back in the day of flat-track racing, it was a common practice to take tires and throw them up onto a flat, southern California roof for a few weeks to bake in the sun, periodically flipping them from side to side like a pancake. The tires would heat and cool and consequently outgass until they were rock hard. Perfect for flat-track racing.

So, now back to our race compound tire. The race tire is designed for the racetrack, hence the name and usually the red sticker or other marking on the sidewall of the tire. They are designed to be used two or three times before they are discarded. Even "DOT Race" tires are typically only good for two or three days of use. That equates to two or three heat cycles and two or three periods of outgassing before the chemical balance of the tire has changed so much that it is no longer the same tire. Also, race tires are designed to be able to carry more heat before the tire melts. This is to handle the extreme speeds, cornering velocities and higher abrasion characteristics of a race track. This means it also takes more time and more aggressive riding to get the tire to its optimum operating temperature. Race tires are awesome for the track rider. They allow the racer to get the most out of the tire, but at a cost (they don't last as long).

The street rider who uses race compound tires is simply wasting their money and taking unnecessary risks. Even the fastest street rider is probably not (and should not) be able to get the tire up to its optimum temperature to reap the benefits of the added traction. Street riders are forced to stop for stoplights, police officers and traffic in general. They are also a full-on idiot if they ride at 100-percent ability, as fast as they can, in a street environment. However, the race tire is still outgassing at the same rate it would if it were being used on the racetrack even though the tire will never reach operating temperature, and never achieve optimum levels of cohesion.

Street riders will, however, get a greater level of traction and more life out of a street tire that is designed to withstand hundreds of heat cycles and operate at a lower temperature. And in fact, most modern "sport-touring" tires will provide a better level of grip for 90% of all street riders than sportier counterparts. Only an elite few, and they are probably not reading this anyway, can use the full potential of a Michelin Pilot Power or Dunlop Qualifier. In fact, its quite amazing what skilled riders can do on modern sport-touring tires like the Michelin Pilot Road or Continetal Road Attacks - skilled riders can still drag knees around corners with these supposedly "hard" tires.

Some street riders feel that it is an advantage to buy "take-offs" from racers. Take-offs are the race compound tires (sometimes race slicks) a racer has used up. Rather than discard the tire, they sell them to street riders. Take-offs do a great job of impressing your friends by allowing them to assume you were able to thrash the outside edges of your tire with your amazing riding ability. But the reality is you may be riding on a tire that has plenty or tread left but is actually worn out or has very little grip left in it.

The moral of this story is not to be so afraid of riding on tires designed to last a bit longer. Honestly evaluate the type of riding you do and make your decision based on that information. If you mostly drone up and down the interstate on your way to work with an occasional weekend jaunt up the canyon, you probably don't need as much tire as the rider does lots of high-speed track days, and has never worn out the center of a tire. Most of us will never be able to over-ride a modern "sport-touring" tire during very spirited street riding unless we are using incorrect riding form and style. I have seen all of these touring-based tires on racetracks and on colder track days, the touring tires came up to temperature quicker and provided MORE grip than the race tires. So much so, that after a track session, the race tires were, literally, cold to the touch, while the touring tires were nice and warm. Plus, you get the huge benefit of not having to change tires more frequently than you change your oil.

But whatever you do, do not mix and match tires, particularly tires of differenc construction (radial vs. bias) and even tires of the same construction from two different manufacturers. You never know what handling result you will end up. We realize that sometimes you have to do what you have to do, and when out on the road getting a flat tire means you run whatever tire you can find. So at the very least, avoid at all costs putting on a stickier/grippier rear tire than the front tire. To do otherwise and you could easily find yourself in a situation where the traction of the rear tire overwhelms the traction of the front tire.
Tire Age

So how old of a tire should you use? The answer for this is easy. It depends! If you need to get the most out of your tires, then the fresher the better. If you like a tire to last longer, then the age of the tire is less critical. But you should never buy or use a tire that is more than six to seven years old. But how do you know how old your tire is? Carbon dating? Serial number cross-reference with manufacturers? Actually, your tire has the date of manufacture, or the "born on" date. How nice! If you look closely you will find a four-digit number stamped into the sidewall of your tire. It will read something like 4408 or 2101. What do these numbers mean? Well, a 4408 means the tire was manufactured during the 44th week of 2008. 2101 means the tire was manufactured the 21st week of 2001. Years prior to 2000 have a one-digit number to reflect the year, and after 2000, a two-digit number is used. This is a simple and easy way to figure out the age of a tire.

But why is a fresher tire better? Well, first, rubber is organic and it decomposes. Second, after your tire is manufactured, it may sit on the top shelf of a scalding hot warehouse for four years, outgassing all the while. Then it goes to the local shop, where it sits in a south-facing window (outgassing every time the sun sets for another year before you finally buy it). So, you end up with a five-year-old tire that may already be worn out before you've ridden home. Then you'll complain every time the tire slides around underneath you. Not because it is a bad tire, but because it has gotten so old and outgassed so much it has become brittle. If your primary concern is a tire that lasts lots of miles, an older tire will do fine because it has gotten hard with age. But again, rubber is an organic material, and a tire that is seven years old is not as capable as the exact tire that is newer.

When is a tire worn out or in need of replacement? You guessed it . . . it depends! A front tire may be shot while there is still plenty of rubber on the tire. This is why you should always replace your tires in sets. If the rear is down to the wear bars, yet the front tire still has plenty of life, both tires have gone through the same number of heat cycles. The front tire may "look" great, but it is just as worn out as the rear tire. Keep in mind that your front tire is more critical to not falling down than your rear.

You may have a race tire that looks awesome but has gone through so many short heat cycles that it will feel and grip like wood. Front tires can also cup or scallop where the front tire wears uneven and causes poor handling - a good time to replace the tire.

Well, what if you get a flat tire? Can you just plug it like a car tire? You can, but I wouldn't. Motorcycle tires do way more than a car tire can. It has to grip while leaned over and it flexes from more directions. And if it fails, you only have one other tire to catch you, unlike a car that has three other tires to prevent you from falling. My advice would be to avoid plugged tires. Plugging will get you home, but it's best to replace the tire.

Tire Pressure

What about tire pressure and size? This one does not depend. For almost all cases go with the manufacturer's recommendations. Believe it or not, those designers and engineers in Japan, Italy, and Germany know a lot more about motorcycle design than we think we do. Your best and safest bet for motorcycle performance and handling is to run the recommended pressure. You can deviate slightly depending on what you want from your tire, but the closer you stay to manufacturer's guidelines, the happier you will be. Dropping pressure provides more traction but can compromise stability and increases wear. Increasing pressure decreases traction and can compromise stability but decreases wear. Also, check your tire pressure frequently.

Many riders still believe that running the max psi number listed on the sidewall will ensure you'll get the maximum life out of your tire. But as tire's have evolved this is no longer the case. Running max-pressure, or too high pressures will actually cause the tire to wear faster. Yes, you read right; keeping pressure higher will acutally make the tire wear out quicker. When a tire is over-inflated (and by over-inflated we mean, higher than the manufacturers recomendation) you make the contact patch smaller because the tire is unable to flex as much, this focuses the wear onto a smaller surface, increasing heat and wear.

While testing one particular sport-touring tire we ran the tire-manufactures recomended pressure, which happened to be the max psi. The "touring" tire was destroyed in just over 2,000 miles. We obtained a second set, ran the psi at the bike's recomened pressure and literally doubled the life of the tire (riding the same way on the same roads as the first set).

So the morale of this story is to stick to the bike manufacturers pressure recomendations for best results.

Tire Size

First lets explain those crazy numbers on the sidewall. Lets use the most common 180/55-17 as the example. 180 is the width of the tire. A 180 from Michelin may look wider than a 180 from Pirelli because they all measure their tires a little bit differently. But thats okay - we are talking the difference of a few millimeters from one to another. The second number "55" is the height of the tire as a percentage of the first number. So in this case, the tire would be 55% as tall as it is wide. Make sense? The last number is the rim size.

Because the second number is a percentage and not a hard number, it can get a little confusing. What is the height difference between a 190/50-17 and a 180/55-17? Probably just a fraction of an inch. However, the difference between a 120/70-17 and a 120/60-17 is a pretty big difference!

Many riders like to try to squeeze in a larger tire on the rear of the bike because it looks cool. But this will alter (probably adversely) the handling characteristics of your bike. Changing the tire size to a width that cannot be supported by the rim width will result in a pinched or flattened tire profile, adversely affecting the tire's abilities. Again, your safest bet is to stay with the manufacturer's recommendations by using the stock tire sizes.

If you're bike came with a 190 rear, a popular change has been to drop to a 180. The argument is that 180's are pointier than the rounder, flatter 190's. I've done this, and in my experience, the bike lost a fair amount of stability and felt skittish in the corners. However, a few of the tire companies have gone to great lenghts advertising their 190's now have similar profiles to the 180's. And if you think wide tires are bad, most world-class racers run really wide tires - 200+ widths. So, unless you have a very good source saying otherwise, stick the manufacturers recomendation.

In Conclusion

So there you have it. You now have a lot more questions to ask yourself when you're shopping for a new set of tires. Hopefully, you will be able to make a much more informed decision. Be careful when asking advice from other riders because tire choice is a very subjective decision. They may want something different from their tire than you do. Be willing to do some research. I have even gone as far as calling tire manufacturers and asking them for more specific information and asking them to compare their tire to another tire I am familiar with.

Are you really only interested in how long a tire will last?

Starting in the summer of 2009 we began listing and detailing just the milage we've gotten from various tires. We typically remove tires when it reaches the wear-bars or slightly before (unless otherwise noted). We also replace tires in sets, so we won't be listing different milage from front and rear tires.

The goal of this page is to allow you to see what milage we've gotten and allow you to correlate that information with your own experiences to help you determine what tire is going to best meet your needs. Please check back often as we will continually be adding more information to this page.

Bridgestone
Continental
Dunlop
Michelin
Pirelli

Total Miles of testing: 88,425

Bridgestone


Bridgestone is a multinational rubber conglomerate founded in 1931 by Shojiro Ishibashi in the city of Kurume, Fukuoka, Japan. The very first Bridgestone tire was produced on April 9, 1930, by the Japanese "Tabi" Socks Tyre Division (actually made jika-tabi). One year later on March 1, 1931, the founder, Shojiro Ishibashi, made the "Tabi" Socks tire Division independent and established the Bridgestone Tire Co., Ltd. in the city of Kurume, Fukuoka Prefecture. "Bridgestone" was named after the name of the founder, Shojiro Ishibashi (Ishi = Stone, Bashi = Bridge).

Make Bike Mileage Use Notes
BT-016 SV650 2,183 Track Amazing grip and performance
BT-016 Hypermotard 796 832 Street, Track Testing in progress (Joe)
BT-021 Multistrada 1000DS 5,066 Touring, Street Down to the cords with no loss of grip
BT-021 Multistrada 1100S 4,849 Touring, Street Even wear and no loss of grip
BT-023 Multistrada 1000DS 4,368 Touring, Street, Track Even wear and no loss of grip all the way to the wear bars
BT-023 Multistrada 1100S 1,450 Touring, Street Testing in progress (Joe)
BT-023 Multistrada 1100S 7,025 Touring, Street Worn to the cords, the last 1,000 miles wore away very quickly.
BT-023 Multistrada 1100S 147 Touring, Street Testing in progress (Dave)
Total Miles: 25,920



Continental


Continental is a worldwide leading manufacturer of tires, brake systems, vehicle stability control systems, engine injection systems, tachographs and other parts for the automotive and transport industries. The company is based in Hanover, Germany. It is the world's 4th largest tire manufacturer after Bridgestone, Michelin and Goodyear. It was founded in 1871 as a rubber manufacturer. One of Continental's main areas of expertise and technological leadership is Fuel Consumption Reduction, achieved through more efficient fuel injection systems, reduced rolling resistance tires and hybrid propulsion systems.

Make Bike Mileage Use Notes

RaceAttack Street SV650/SM690 2,862 Track, Street Tire was baked-out and very hard. Should have been removed much sooner.
Road Attack 1050 Speed Triple 2,782 Touring, Street, Track Run side-by-side with the Sport Attack.
Road Attack II Multistrada 1100S 3,125 Touring, Street To the cords - minimal loss of grip throughout the life of the tire
Road Attack II 1050 Speed Triple 3,414 Touring, Street Into the cords - minimal loss of grip throughout the life of the tire
Sport Attack 900 SS/CR 2,040 Street, Canyon Removed Early.
Sport Attack Multistrada 1100S 2,883 Touring, Street, Track Run side-by-side with the Road Attack.
Total Miles: 17,106


Dunlop


Made in England and 75% owned by Goodyear, Dunlop had it's humble beginnings in 1888 when a small boy struggled to ride a tricycle with solid rubber wheels. John Boyd Dunlop, a Scottish veterinarian, grew tired of watching his son struggle with the cumbersome tires so he developed a tire that would employ a pneumatic, or air-based process using air to cushion the wheels...and the rider. He took two strips of rubber and glue to form the strips into thick tubes. Then he wrapped the tubes around the inside of the main tricycle wheel before wrapping everything in linen tape to be used as tread.

Make Bike Mileage Use Notes

D209/D211 GP-A SV650 860 Track Amazing grip throughout life.
D616 Multistrada 1000DS 3,048 Touring, Street, Dirt Rear tire wore much faster than the front.
D616 Multistrada 1100S 3,496 Touring, Street Front tire developed deep cups hampering handling.
RoadSmart Multistrada 1100S 2,977 Touring, Street Tire lasted better when run at lower pressures than recommended by Dunlop.
RoadSmart 1050 Speed Triple 3,147 Touring, Street Uneven wear resulted in bad handling as tire wore.
RoadSmart VFR1200 3,422 Touring, Street Even wear, but wore quickly
Total Miles: 16,950



Michelin


Made in France, founded in 1888, Michelin invented the radial tire in 1946. They can be recognized for their mascot, Bibendum, commonly referred to as the Michelin Man or "Bib". The logo was introduced at the Lyon Exhibition of 1894 where the Michelin brothers had a stand. He was inspired by one of the brothers who noticed a stack of tires that looked like a man with no arms. Bibendum is one of the world's oldest trademarks. Michelins participation in Motorcycle GP racing ranges from 1972 to 2008. They introduced radial construction to MotoGP in 1984 and multi-compound tires in 1994. They achieved 360 victories in 36 years and from 1993 to 2006 the world championship had gone to a rider on Michelins.

Make Bike Mileage Use Notes

P1 Race SV650S 409 Track Rear tire wore exceedingly fast.
Pilot Race SV650S 698 Track Rear tire run backwards to extend life - front tire still looked fine.
Pilot Power Pure Yamaha R6 1,739 Track Tire baked out (significant loss of grip) before tread was worn.
Pilot Road 2CT Triumph 675 5,442 Street, Touring, Track Tire baked out (significant loss of grip) before tread was worn
Total Miles: 8,288



Pirelli


Founded 1872 in Milan, Italy by Giovanni Battista Pirelli. Pirelli initially specialised in rubber and derivative processes and even made scuba diving rebreathers. Pirelli's activities were primarily focused on the production of tires and cables (for energy and telecommunications) until 2005, when Pirelli sold its cable division to Goldman Sachs. In 1986 they purchased Metzeler tires. Pirelli is currently the only tire that allows customers to personalize their tires with text or logos which can be designed on the Pirelli website, then applied to the tire sidewall.

Make Bike Mileage Use Notes

Angel ST Multistrada 1100S 3,489 Touring Wore completely into the cords, no loss of grip throught life of tire
Diablo Rosso Corsa Ducati 848 508 Track, Street Amazing Tire - no loss of grip throughout life of tire.
Diablo Rosso II Honda VFR1200 3,395 Track, Street Worn to the cords with lots of two-up touring. No loss of grip.
Dragon Supercorsa Pro Ducati 848 2,223 Track, Street Baked out (significant loss of grip) before fully worn
Diablo Superbike Pro Ducati 848 402 Track Only Red Stripe Slick - Testing in Progress
Scorpion Sync Multistrada 1000DS 2,858 Touring, Street Tire removed early, with 1/32 left before wear bar.
Scorpion Sync Multistrada 1100S 3,170 Touring, Street OEM Tire from factory with no loss of grip througout the life of the tire
Scorpion Sync Multistrada 1100S 4,116 Touring, Street OEM Tire from factory with no loss of grip througout the life of the tire
Total Miles: 20,161



Definitions:

Baked: Tire has been used for so many heat cycles that it no longer provides adequate grip.
Cupping: Tire has worn unevenly so that there are high and low ridges in the tread pattern.
Street: Tire is used for shorter trips, around town riding and commuting.
Touring: Tire is used for long-distance riding and multi-day trips.
Track: Tire is used for track-day riding or racing applications.

http://www.canyonchasers.net/shop/generic/tires.php

I like the black ones

What about Metzler, didnt even get a mention

I've been using them for near on 20 years now & see no reason to change. First set were in 93-94 and thats all I've used since

I would take most of that with a grain of salt...internet garbage..

Read the first paragraph then got bored...