power commander

Hi all just a quick question is it advisable to get a power commander when i change my exhaust as i was told that otherwise your bike's mixure or tuning goes out of whack [/b][/b][/b]

If your putting on a full system its probly a good idea but if your only adding a slip on I don't think its neceassary. It will certainly help but there a lot of $...

Mooore?? you want Mooore??

how much Hp is enough??

Mooore?? you want Mooore??

how much Hp is enough??

Much More.....Honda more

If your putting on a full system its probly a good idea but if your only adding a slip on I don't think its neceassary. It will certainly help but there a lot of $...

The standard computer is able to handle a slipon just fine..... any mroe and you will need a computer... so yeah, im with stupid on this one

Depends on the bike. From experience and what I've heard from others, the ZX-12R will run like a dog with only a slip on! The computer can't compensate for it, although other bikes can handle a slip on fine.
In your case, I'd just chuck on a slip on and see how the bike behaves. If it doesn't like it, then buy a power commander.

Depends on the bike. From experience and what I've heard from others, the ZX-12R will run like a dog with only a slip on! ...

Gos's bike goes fine with one on

what bike is it?? carby or EFI??

are u a racer??

i had sum guy at BP (young guy whos had his R6 for 4 weeks) telling me he REALLY needs a PC3 cos he wants to put a slip-on on...

i advised unless he was doin full zorst & air filter etc, it was probably a waste of time...and since he didnt have the $$ to do it, nor much of a clue on ringing the bike's neck (yet) he might as well wait till he needs it...

.... From experience and what I've heard from others, the ZX-12R will run like a dog with only a slip on! The computer can't compensate for it, although other bikes can handle a slip on fine....

Do you own a ZX12 with a slip-on ? I bunged a Yoshi RS-3 on my 12 last year, it runs *absolutely* fine........no other mods (apart from some c/f bits), but whoever told you that 12's run like shit with a can and no PCIII is wrong. A few punters on the site will confirm this

hi all i own a zx10r and was adding a high mount slip-on

It'll be sweet Matt - as long as there are no other mods.

From my reading of the US forums (where 99% of the 12 owners said 'no worries' for just a can on the 12) , almost exactly the same thing is being said about the 10 as well. If you do add better air filters, then its time to start thinking about the PCIII - the bike will still start and run well, but a PCIII will harness the extra HP that comes with better breathing.

If/when a full aftermarket system goes on, then a PCIII is *basically* mandatory, according to all the advice on the various forums out there...

(of course, if you are really chasing *every* HP, then a PCIII with just a slip-on is a good idea..........a couple of extra HP isn't a big issue with a 12... )

It'll be sweet Matt - as long as there are no other mods.

From my reading of the US forums (where 99% of the 12 owners said 'no worries' for just a can on the 12) , almost exactly the same thing is being said about the 10 as well. If you do add better air filters, then its time to start thinking about the PCIII - the bike will still start and run well, but a PCIII will harness the extra HP that comes with better breathing.

If/when a full aftermarket system goes on, then a PCIII is *basically* mandatory, according to all the advice on the various forums out there...

(of course, if you are really chasing *every* HP, then a PCIII with just a slip-on is a good idea..........a couple of extra HP isn't a big issue with a 12... )

for what its worth, what ive learnt (here mostly) and what i kno...i agree...

PC's can help smooth out flat spots and increase power..power increse on a 10 isnt that important for road use (already has more than enuf to do ur ticket) BUT it can make power more linear....

.... From experience and what I've heard from others, the ZX-12R will run like a dog with only a slip on! The computer can't compensate for it, although other bikes can handle a slip on fine....

Do you own a ZX12 with a slip-on ? I bunged a Yoshi RS-3 on my 12 last year, it runs *absolutely* fine........no other mods (apart from some c/f bits), but whoever told you that 12's run like shit with a can and no PCIII is wrong. A few punters on the site will confirm this

Yep I do. I bought my bike with only a scorpion slip on. It ran like shit!!! Flat out it was fine but cruising around town I had to keep the revs over 3.5K to avoid riding where it's rough, although it did have a cool offbeat type sound. Even if you slowly opened the throttle in neutral it was lumpy as hell till after the 3.5k mark. And it would backfire on decel.
Hence I know they can run like shit with just a can and no PC3!
I after reading a few forums I found out that a lot of people had the same problem. I ended up buying a PC3 (from the U.S), problem fixed.

It might only be a problem on the early 12s as there were some changes to the ECU later on.

What year is your bike? Mine's 2000 (see signature).

...It might only be a problem on the early 12s as there were some changes to the ECU later on.

What year is your bike? Mine's 2000 (see signature).

I run a 2005, and there have been some changes to the ECU - I think the US guys also mentioned that the KLEEN system was a bitch for backfires/popping on the overrun etc, as well as generally poor running down low, when the stock can was removed for a better-breathing one in the early (2000-2002) models.

The common mod was to by-pass the KLEEN system altogether on the early models, but a number of punters in Oz have warned me off mods to the system on my 05 model, it runs fine with just a can, and no mods to KLEEN. Perfect off-idle, strong down low and screams up top ..... Gotta be happy with that

Best thing about a full zorst system replacement is the weight loss those Ti systems can cut kilos off the weight.

Yeah I turfed the Kleen from my bike straight away, made it better but still didn't run that great till I put in the PC3. The slip on I have on mine is titanium, later on down the track I'll be replacing the rest of the system.
The midrange could be a bit stronger, I'm hoping a proper dyno tune will solve that.